Avgas is cheap

Interesting. Here in the UK, we're paying about $7.70 per gallon for 100LL.

About $1.15 is sales tax levied on almost all goods.
About $2.00 is the excise duty on Avgas.

That leaves $4.55 per gallon, which is more than twice the price John paid,
according to his original post. Why is the price so high? Because the oil
companies can get away with it. I think you call that "capitalism", don't
you?

Julian Scarfe


"Dennis O'Connor" wrote in message
...
Kees, have you folks ever thought about a bit of an armed rebellion to
cure
this? It does tend to work - reference the secession of the American
Colonies from Great Britain, circa 1770's for details on how...

OK - pulling my tongue out of my cheek - your example of strangling
gasoline
prices is is exactly why the "isms" all fail... Communism has fallen...
Socialism in Europe will survive perhaps another one or two generations,
three at the most, and you then either collapse into endless poverty with
a
whimper or another Strong Man will take center stage and arouse the masses
with bellowing about enemies to the east, enemies to the west, the
machinations of jews/capitalists/catholics/etc., and seize power and then
Europe will be back in the grip of it's historic leader, a
dictator/king...

Unfortunately, the disease of socialism is spreading in the USA, also...
sigh It has been a glorious ride, this mix of democracy and capitalism
these past 231 years... It is a shame to seethat the rot of socialism has
it
now doomed...
denny

"Kees Mies" wrote in message As other posters
mentioned prices can differ locally.
This morning I filled my van for $5.34/gallon unleaded.
Last time, about a month ago, I bought 100LL for $8.83/gallon.
BTW, this is the Netherlands, sigh.
And we have landing fees too, another sigh.

"Julian Scarfe" wrote in message
news:zr60c.605$GQ.303@newsfe1-win...
Interesting. Here in the UK, we're paying about $7.70 per gallon for
100LL.

About $1.15 is sales tax levied on almost all goods.
About $2.00 is the excise duty on Avgas.

That leaves $4.55 per gallon, which is more than twice the price John
paid,
according to his original post. Why is the price so high? Because the
oil
companies can get away with it. I think you call that "capitalism", don't
you?

Oddly, our "capitalism" produces mogas at about $1.70 a gallon (with the
state and fed gub'mints taking about $0.35-0.40 of that) and out Avgas 100LL
at $2.62.

Sounds like your over-regulation, demanded by your populace, has bitten you
consumers in the ass. Se, we have dozens of companies in the Avgas business
and hundreds in the petrol business. How many do you have?

The UK hasn't been even remotely free market/capitalist in over 100 years.

You folks shot yourselves in the groin, so quit yer' bitching.

I don't know which I enjoy more out of this newsgroup - Jay's stories, or
Pete's logic, but here's another fine example of the latter. Classic.

"Peter Duniho" wrote in message
...

There's no "not quite" about it, thank you very much. $3.50/gal is what I
pay, which is exactly what I said.

Least of your expenses? Only if you hardly ever fly.

You obviously have no clue about what I spend on maintenance, insurance,
and
hangar. Those are by far the most significant portions of owning my
airplane, and I could fly triple the number of hours each year without
changing that.

How about you stick to making statements about things you actually know
about, and let the rest of us make statements about things WE know about
without you acting like you know better when you obviously don't.

Pete

"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in message
...

"Julian Scarfe" wrote in message
news:zr60c.605$GQ.303@newsfe1-win...
Interesting. Here in the UK, we're paying about $7.70 per gallon for
100LL.

About $1.15 is sales tax levied on almost all goods.
About $2.00 is the excise duty on Avgas.

That leaves $4.55 per gallon, which is more than twice the price John
paid,
according to his original post. Why is the price so high? Because the
oil
companies can get away with it. I think you call that "capitalism",
don't
you?

Oddly, our "capitalism" produces mogas at about $1.70 a gallon (with the
state and fed gub'mints taking about $0.35-0.40 of that) and out Avgas
100LL
at $2.62.

Sounds like your over-regulation, demanded by your populace, has bitten
you
consumers in the ass. Se, we have dozens of companies in the Avgas
business
and hundreds in the petrol business. How many do you have?

The UK hasn't been even remotely free market/capitalist in over 100 years.

You folks shot yourselves in the groin, so quit yer' bitching.

No problem, it gives us an excuse to go to the US and fly there.
And why not. There is so much to see. With the $ at nearly 2 to the £ its a
bargain and which is why the US will be the most popular tourist destination
for Brits this year despite the additional security restrictions.

The security is no problem either. Its still a bit ramshackled. Its
something we are used to and ours is probably better due to the many years
more experience of the task. Besides which nearly every Brit has a passport
and travels abroad at some time so it breeds a bit of tolerance.

As for me, it will be hour building somewhere this year where I can enjoy
the full experience what aviation in the US has to offer.

Even though the Federal authorities are making life more difficult you guys
are lucky. So appreciate it and enjoy it. Thousand of foreign pilots coming
to the US cannot be wrong.

On Sun, 29 Feb 2004 09:11:46 -0000, S Green wrote:

No problem, it gives us an excuse to go to the US and fly there.
And why not. There is so much to see. With the $ at nearly 2 to the £ its a
bargain and which is why the US will be the most popular tourist destination
for Brits this year despite the additional security restrictions.

very true.

in 2002 I had an expensive time (compared to today) in the US making the
PPL. Now it would be about 40% cheaper.

glad that I resisted buying a house or condo back then. Today I woud get
about 40% more house for the same money (or the same house for about half
the money - not factoring in appreciation).

For Americans it might make sense [1] to lend money in Euro or Swiss Franc
(even the Yen might be attractive). The exchange rate is high and interest
rate is low. It is expected that the exchange rate will change in favour of
the dollar, so let's assume that the Euro comes down to a 1:1 exchange rate
to the USD, then you will have gained 25% (or in other words: your debt
would be 25% less) only because of that. So you would be able to lend more
money, invest some of the borrowed money [2] and have an additional cut.
[note: this is no financial advise]

#m

[1] we here in Europe are lending about 30% or more of the money in foreign
currency - and this is not only the big companies, it is the family
building their house etc.
[2] assume an interest rate of 3% and stock value of 6% ... this will bring
you an additoional 3% of the invested money and helps you paying your
interest rate. combine this with a life insurance, calculate inflation and
the money is almost for free.

--
http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=19990509

"S Green" wrote in message
...


The UK hasn't been even remotely free market/capitalist in over 100
years.

You folks shot yourselves in the groin, so quit yer' bitching.

No problem, it gives us an excuse to go to the US and fly there.
And why not. There is so much to see. With the $ at nearly 2 to the £ its
a
bargain and which is why the US will be the most popular tourist
destination
for Brits this year despite the additional security restrictions.

We'll be glad to take your money!! :~)


The security is no problem either. Its still a bit ramshackled. Its
something we are used to and ours is probably better due to the many years
more experience of the task. Besides which nearly every Brit has a
passport
and travels abroad at some time so it breeds a bit of tolerance.

With a geographic area the size of some of our mid-sized states (don't get
the Texan's started) you are a bit more cramped. Come on over and stretch
your legs a bit.


As for me, it will be hour building somewhere this year where I can enjoy
the full experience what aviation in the US has to offer.

The west has clear skies and lotf of room.

Even though the Federal authorities are making life more difficult you
guys
are lucky. So appreciate it and enjoy it.

....while we can. :~(

Thousand of foreign pilots coming
to the US cannot be wrong.

Several years ago, many doctors, engineers, physicists, etc., came...and
stayed. We're happy to have 'em, 'cept we can't understand them sometimes.
SEG

S Green wrote:

Even though the Federal authorities are making life more difficult you guys
are lucky. So appreciate it and enjoy it.

Most of us do. We're simply trying to keep it that way. Or make it better.

George Patterson
A diplomat is a person who can tell you to go to hell in such a way that
you look forward to the trip.

"G.R. Patterson III" wrote in message
...


S Green wrote:

Even though the Federal authorities are making life more difficult you
guys
are lucky. So appreciate it and enjoy it.

Most of us do. We're simply trying to keep it that way. Or make it better.

Regulation is like taxes. Goes on easy but almost impossible to remove,
especially when the powers that be always want to cover their asses.

How much of that $4.55 is the FBO making? Here in the US, the FBO markup is
much larger than the refining margin.

Mike
MU-2


"Julian Scarfe" wrote in message
news:zr60c.605$GQ.303@newsfe1-win...
Interesting. Here in the UK, we're paying about $7.70 per gallon for
100LL.

About $1.15 is sales tax levied on almost all goods.
About $2.00 is the excise duty on Avgas.

That leaves $4.55 per gallon, which is more than twice the price John
paid,
according to his original post. Why is the price so high? Because the
oil
companies can get away with it. I think you call that "capitalism", don't
you?

Julian Scarfe


"Dennis O'Connor" wrote in message
...
Kees, have you folks ever thought about a bit of an armed rebellion to
cure
this? It does tend to work - reference the secession of the American
Colonies from Great Britain, circa 1770's for details on how...

OK - pulling my tongue out of my cheek - your example of strangling
gasoline
prices is is exactly why the "isms" all fail... Communism has fallen...
Socialism in Europe will survive perhaps another one or two generations,
three at the most, and you then either collapse into endless poverty
with
a
whimper or another Strong Man will take center stage and arouse the
masses
with bellowing about enemies to the east, enemies to the west, the
machinations of jews/capitalists/catholics/etc., and seize power and
then
Europe will be back in the grip of it's historic leader, a
dictator/king...

Unfortunately, the disease of socialism is spreading in the USA, also...
sigh It has been a glorious ride, this mix of democracy and capitalism
these past 231 years... It is a shame to seethat the rot of socialism
has
it
now doomed...
denny

"Kees Mies" wrote in message As other posters
mentioned prices can differ locally.
This morning I filled my van for $5.34/gallon unleaded.
Last time, about a month ago, I bought 100LL for $8.83/gallon.
BTW, this is the Netherlands, sigh.
And we have landing fees too, another sigh.

"Mike Rapoport" wrote in message
link.net...
How much of that $4.55 is the FBO making? Here in the US, the FBO markup
is
much larger than the refining margin.

And what other taxes/fees does it include?

Why do our capitalistic FBO's charge as little as $2.00-2.50 a gallon, whilr
Julian's charge $7.70?

WRT MoGas, the refiners do all the work and make about $0.12-0.18 a gallon,
while the states and feds make $0.38-0.45 a gallon (for a stroke of the
pen).


Mike
MU-2


"Julian Scarfe" wrote in message
news:zr60c.605$GQ.303@newsfe1-win...
Interesting. Here in the UK, we're paying about $7.70 per gallon for
100LL.

About $1.15 is sales tax levied on almost all goods.
About $2.00 is the excise duty on Avgas.

That leaves $4.55 per gallon, which is more than twice the price John
paid,
according to his original post. Why is the price so high? Because the
oil
companies can get away with it. I think you call that "capitalism",
don't
you?

Julian Scarfe


"Dennis O'Connor" wrote in message
...
Kees, have you folks ever thought about a bit of an armed rebellion to
cure
this? It does tend to work - reference the secession of the American
Colonies from Great Britain, circa 1770's for details on how...

OK - pulling my tongue out of my cheek - your example of strangling
gasoline
prices is is exactly why the "isms" all fail... Communism has
fallen...
Socialism in Europe will survive perhaps another one or two
generations,
three at the most, and you then either collapse into endless poverty
with
a
whimper or another Strong Man will take center stage and arouse the
masses
with bellowing about enemies to the east, enemies to the west, the
machinations of jews/capitalists/catholics/etc., and seize power and
then
Europe will be back in the grip of it's historic leader, a
dictator/king...

Unfortunately, the disease of socialism is spreading in the USA,
also...
sigh It has been a glorious ride, this mix of democracy and
capitalism
these past 231 years... It is a shame to seethat the rot of socialism
has
it
now doomed...
denny

"Kees Mies" wrote in message As other posters
mentioned prices can differ locally.
This morning I filled my van for $5.34/gallon unleaded.
Last time, about a month ago, I bought 100LL for $8.83/gallon.
BTW, this is the Netherlands, sigh.
And we have landing fees too, another sigh.