F-35, not F-22, to Protect U.S. Airspace

T.L. Davis wrote in
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[snip]

The one all purpose carry on weapon still allowed is the big heavy
cowboy belt buckle. Slip off the belt and raise hell.

Sorry for the rant and the unrealistic scenario, but it just blows my
mind that only slightly more than a dozen fighters were on station.
Might as well phase out NORAD altogether except for missile defense
and retaliation.

Your Peace Dividend at work. If we'd managed to put the pieces
we had together in time the hijacked flights would never have
left the ground so what Continental AD posture was is kind of
a secondary consideration.

IBM

Peter Skelton wrote in
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[snip]

Could I humbly sugggest that you look into muslim populations
before you spew your tripe? The US has a larger Muslim population
than any European country but Russia. On a per cant basis it is
near the European median.

Oh really? And we have the same sort of exurban ghettos populated
by pig ignorant hill tribesmen from gawd only knows where ( outside
of Dearbornistan and al-Hamtramck of course ). Different demographic
and despite your claims nowhere near the numbers.

I dare say al-Qanada has, at some 600,000, or so a higher Mooselimb
population (percentagewise) than does the US.

IBM

Jack Linthicum wrote in
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On Feb 2, 9:51*pm, Ian B MacLure wrote:
150flivver wrote in
news:359a3711-b5ea-4741-
:

On Feb 2, 3:08*am, hcobb wrote:
On Feb 2, 6:45 am, 150flivver wrote:

Exactly how was the Air Force supposed to prevent 9/11? *I guess
t
he
Air Force wasn't prepared to prevent the banking crisis or
global warming either.

Which service is it that's supposed to at least intercept hostile
aircraft in American skies?

Perhaps this also should be handed over to the USMC?

-HJC

9/11 was a criminal act conducted by foreign criminals. *Calling it

* * * * It was an act of war by a non-state actor. We quite prope
rly
* * * * took it at face value and opened hostilities on the actor
s
* * * * and their supporters.

war doesn't make it so. *Law enforcement is something I don't want
th
e
military involved in. *The FBI and CIA dropped the ball on this
one, not the Air Force. *Shooting down airliners filled with
hostages/ citizens is something the Soviet Union would do, not what
the USA does.

* * * * The FBI and CIA had been knecapped by Jamie Gorelick at K
lintoon's
* * * * behest. It was more than your career was worth to ask inc
onvenient
* * * * questions or, god forbid, share information. Many of the
necessary
* * * * dots were already plotted. They just could not legally be
connected
* * * * and it took an enormous effort against determined Dhimmic
rap
* * * * opposition to change that situation.

* * * * IBM

IIRC Clinton left office in January 2001, the FBI and CIA continued
their feud that says "I won't tell you anything you can use", and FBI

Funny you should mention that cause theres a PBS show on right
now about what was known about the 9/11 and how the FBI who had
agents assigned to the CIA unit tracking Bin Laden could not legally
be told what the CIA knew. So far all the narrative takes place
well prior to mid January 2001.

telephone taps that should have been tied to that "Osama bin Ladin
wants to do harm to the US" line in the PDB. As near as I can tell
that division still exists, perhaps expanded by the NSA being able to
say "I know something you don't". We now have an extra level of DNI to

Up until about two eeks ago any FedGov agency practicing that sort
of dog in the manger routine would ahve found themsleves assigned
to sorting through jihadi trash heaps in Indian country. Now that
Soetaro is calling the shots who knows?

add to the various inter service and interagency versions of that same
attitude. I would bet that more useful intelligence gets stuffed into
burn bags than gets into the PDB.

And yet the air over Pakistan is filed with the remains of recently
deceased al-Qaeda leaders.

IBM

On Feb 3, 10:47*pm, Ian B MacLure wrote:
Jack Linthicum wrote :



On Feb 2, 9:51*pm, Ian B MacLure wrote:
150flivver wrote in
news:359a3711-b5ea-4741-
:

On Feb 2, 3:08*am, hcobb wrote:
On Feb 2, 6:45 am, 150flivver wrote:

Exactly how was the Air Force supposed to prevent 9/11? *I guess
t
he
Air Force wasn't prepared to prevent the banking crisis or
global warming either.

Which service is it that's supposed to at least intercept hostile
aircraft in American skies?

Perhaps this also should be handed over to the USMC?

-HJC

9/11 was a criminal act conducted by foreign criminals. *Calling it

* * * * It was an act of war by a non-state actor. We quite prope
rly
* * * * took it at face value and opened hostilities on the actor
s
* * * * and their supporters.

war doesn't make it so. *Law enforcement is something I don't want
th
e
military involved in. *The FBI and CIA dropped the ball on this
one, not the Air Force. *Shooting down airliners filled with
hostages/ citizens is something the Soviet Union would do, not what
the USA does.

* * * * The FBI and CIA had been knecapped by Jamie Gorelick at K
lintoon's
* * * * behest. It was more than your career was worth to ask inc
onvenient
* * * * questions or, god forbid, share information. Many of the
necessary
* * * * dots were already plotted. They just could not legally be
*connected
* * * * and it took an enormous effort against determined Dhimmic
rap
* * * * opposition to change that situation.

* * * * IBM

IIRC Clinton left office in January 2001, the FBI and CIA continued
their feud that says "I won't tell you anything you can use", and FBI

* * * * Funny you should mention that cause theres a PBS show on right
* * * * now about what was known about the 9/11 and how the FBI who had
* * * * agents assigned to the CIA unit tracking Bin Laden could not legally
* * * * be told what the CIA knew. So far all the narrative takes place
* * * * well prior to mid January 2001.

telephone taps that should have been tied to that "Osama bin Ladin
wants to do harm to the US" line in the PDB. As near as I can tell
that division still exists, perhaps expanded by the NSA being able to
say "I know something you don't". We now have an extra level of DNI to

* * * * Up until about two eeks ago any FedGov agency practicing that sort
* * * * of dog in the manger routine would ahve found themsleves assigned
* * * * to sorting through jihadi trash heaps in Indian country. Now that
* * * * Soetaro is calling the shots who knows?

add to the various inter service and interagency versions of that same
attitude. I would bet that more useful intelligence gets stuffed into
burn bags than gets into the PDB.

* * * * And yet the air over Pakistan is filed with the remains of recently
* * * * deceased al-Qaeda leaders.

* * * * IBM

Yeah, but talk to anybody who has been in DC, cultures never change. I
remember when JFK wanted to dismember the CIA and strew it to the
winds over what it said about Cuba. i.e. they'd love us, rise up, we'd
be heroes (hmmm where have I heard that recently??).

Go read the seminal papers in political science on groupthink. there
is a reason they are still assigned 20 plus years later in graduate
school. I read them as an under grad, later after I decided to go back
for a PhD.

bureaucracies really get entrenched. one reason is they self select
for people that agree with the current mindset. pick an idea. fight
mafia in the USAF, anything. cultures are difficult to change. you
can't fire everybody.

maybe in a generation after all the old farts retire, you can get
something done.

there is probably a reason it took a good 20 plus years to get the IRA
to get to the peace table.

much as I admire the military, its not the solution to all the
problems. though its easier to go to a military solution.

Ian B MacLure wrote:
Peter Skelton wrote in
:

[snip]

Could I humbly sugggest that you look into muslim populations
before you spew your tripe? The US has a larger Muslim population
than any European country but Russia. On a per cant basis it is
near the European median.

Oh really?

Yes ! Really !
.........have a boo at this page....
http://www.factbook.net/muslim_pop.php

And we have the same sort of exurban ghettos populated
by pig ignorant hill tribesmen from gawd only knows where ( outside
of Dearbornistan and al-Hamtramck of course ). Different

As opposed to those lovely *fascist* 'Right To Work States', esposed by so
many lovely Southerners etal .

demographic and despite your claims nowhere near the numbers.

I dare say al-Qanada has, at some 600,000,

Canada
.... pop. 31, 592,805 muslim pop. 1.5% = 473,892
....oops wrong again !

or so a higher Mooselimb
population (percentagewise) than does the US.

US pop. 278,058,881 muslim pop. 3.5%= 9,732,061

You have us beat by a ratio of 2 to 1, dildo ! Enjoy !

cheers....Jeff


IBM

"Jeffrey Hamilton" wrote in message
...


Canada
... pop. 31, 592,805 muslim pop. 1.5% = 473,892
...oops wrong again !

or so a higher Mooselimb
population (percentagewise) than does the US.

US pop. 278,058,881 muslim pop. 3.5%= 9,732,061

You have us beat by a ratio of 2 to 1, dildo ! Enjoy !

Hah! We're number 1!

Glenn D.

On Tue, 03 Feb 2009 22:47:06 -0600, Ian B MacLure
wrote:

Funny you should mention that cause theres a PBS show on right
now about what was known about the 9/11 and how the FBI who had
agents assigned to the CIA unit tracking Bin Laden could not legally
be told what the CIA knew. So far all the narrative takes place
well prior to mid January 2001.

Ayup. The FBI and CIA always had separate spheres of influence but,
IIRC, the legal prohibition on sharing information dates to the '70s
when "anti-war activists" got the Congress to forbid exchanges of
information. I'm sure they thought they were dealing with an abuse of
power stemming from Viet Nam War era activities; just one more
demonstration of the Law of Unintended Consequences.

It remains to be seen what kind of "change" the new guy will put in
place in DC. So far he is a Master of the Media and Sultan of
Soundbites. The substance of anything is yet to be known.

On Feb 4, 3:19*pm, Bill Kambic wrote:
On Tue, 03 Feb 2009 22:47:06 -0600, Ian B MacLure
wrote:

* * * * * *Funny you should mention that cause theres a PBS show on right
* * * * * *now about what was known about the 9/11 and how the FBI who had
* * * * * *agents assigned to the CIA unit tracking Bin Laden could not legally
* * * * * *be told what the CIA knew. So far all the narrative takes place
* * * * * *well prior to mid January 2001.

Ayup. *The FBI and CIA always had separate spheres of influence but,
IIRC, the legal prohibition on sharing information dates to the '70s
when "anti-war activists" got the Congress to forbid exchanges of
information. *I'm sure they thought they were dealing with an abuse of
power stemming from Viet Nam War era activities; just one more
demonstration of the Law of Unintended Consequences.

It remains to be seen what kind of "change" the new guy will put in
place in DC. *So far he is a Master of the Media and Sultan of
Soundbites. *The substance of anything is yet to be known.

example

http://www.csmonitor.com/2001/1217/p2s1-usgn.html

[Horse**** snipped]

According to the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life
Mooselimbs of all kinds are 0.6% of the US population
about one/third the Jewish or Mormon slice.
You can spin it any way you like but the bottom line
is that the US has nowhere near the kind of Mooselimb
demographic that Eurabia has. The US for instance did
not for instance import Mooselimbs as cheap labo(u)r.
In short we may have them but they aren't generally
susceptible to the same kind of issues that makes oh
say Fwance the Car-B-Que capital of the World. Nor
are US Mooselimbs multi-generational strangers in a
strange land as in Germany. To be sure there are some
recent immigrants who'd like to have it that way but
time isn't on their side and cultural assimilation
will proceed apace. I know people who have converted to
and from Islam. Its one of many choices they make in life.
To digress a little, there is, in the Imperial valley of
Kalifornia, a numerous clan of Mohammeds all Catholic.
A couple of generations ago their forebear immigrated
from the Punjab and eventually married a local Hispanic woman
with the stated result.
And you completely ignored one very important component of the US
Mooselimb population. African Americans either of the Nation of
Islam or orthodox persuasion represent something like 1/3 of the
Mooselimb population. I have issues with the NoI as racists but
but they aren't terribly dangerous except at times to themselves
unfortunately.
Not like having a population nearly all closely connected with some
fetid Jihadistan or other as is the case in Eurabia.

IBM

On Tue, 03 Feb 2009 22:40:46 -0600, Ian B MacLure
wrote:

Peter Skelton wrote in
:

[snip]

Could I humbly sugggest that you look into muslim populations
before you spew your tripe? The US has a larger Muslim population
than any European country but Russia. On a per cant basis it is
near the European median.

Oh really? And we have the same sort of exurban ghettos populated
by pig ignorant hill tribesmen from gawd only knows where ( outside
of Dearbornistan and al-Hamtramck of course ). Different demographic
and despite your claims nowhere near the numbers.

It seems you are ignorant and too stupid to look stuff up when
challenged.

I dare say al-Qanada has, at some 600,000, or so a higher Mooselimb
population (percentagewise) than does the US.

Canada's Muslim population is aobut half the US's on a per
capita basis.

Peter Skelton