Al Gore's Private Jet

The planet earth will be here long after were gone. It will fix itself. I
think it would be better to put our efforts into helping homeless Americans,
slow down the influx of illegal aliens and figure a way to get affordable
health care for the middle class. If you get sick you and you're family
loose everything. That would include your plane.
These are things we can do something about. In all honesty Global warming is
nothing but a fraud that many are making millions over. (imho)
Enjoy life now and wish everyone happiness.
Excuse me for my spelling and grammar I am sure there are plenty of
mistakes.

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On Apr 6, 10:04 am, "Matt Barrow"
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"birdog" wrote in message

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It is predicted that by the end of '07, China and India will exceed the
US
in carbon emissions. Stupidity is rampant!

The same China that's building something like two coal burning plants
(no,
not the modern high-tech ones) each week?

Kind of reminds me of how the environuts viewed the old Soviet Union,
even
after we all found what an environmental disaster it was.

Why do you think that multi-national corporations are outsourcing
manufacturing jobs to China? No EPA, no OSHA, cheaper labor, no big
health care costs, tax avoidance, etc. etc.

They still pay taxes on income derived from another country. In fact,they
pay twice.

Our politicians are hell-bent on destroying our economy by driving
jobs out.

Which jobs? Seems to me many/most of those jobs made themselves unfeasible
in the US.

If you want to pollute the world even worse send the
manufacturing to China!!!!! There are no restrictions over there!

Quite!

"Aluckyguess" wrote in message
...
The planet earth will be here long after were gone. It will fix itself. I
think it would be better to put our efforts into helping homeless
Americans,

How about them help themselves?

slow down the influx of illegal aliens

Yes.

and figure a way to get affordable health care for the middle class.

Simple: get government out of it.

On Apr 6, 10:23 am, "Matt Barrow"
wrote:
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On Apr 6, 10:04 am, "Matt Barrow"
wrote:
"birdog" wrote in message

. ..

It is predicted that by the end of '07, China and India will exceed the
US
in carbon emissions. Stupidity is rampant!

The same China that's building something like two coal burning plants
(no,
not the modern high-tech ones) each week?

Kind of reminds me of how the environuts viewed the old Soviet Union,
even
after we all found what an environmental disaster it was.

Why do you think that multi-national corporations are outsourcing
manufacturing jobs to China? No EPA, no OSHA, cheaper labor, no big
health care costs, tax avoidance, etc. etc.

They still pay taxes on income derived from another country. In fact,they
pay twice.



Our politicians are hell-bent on destroying our economy by driving
jobs out.

Which jobs? Seems to me many/most of those jobs made themselves unfeasible
in the US.

If you want to pollute the world even worse send the
manufacturing to China!!!!! There are no restrictions over there!

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Well, for HP Laserjets alone:
Circuit Board Manufacturing
Electrical Design Engineering
Test Engineering
Final Product Assembly
To name a few...

But hey, we have more jobs flipping burgers than we used to!

On 2007-04-05 19:13:04 -0700, Larry Dighera said:

On Thu, 5 Apr 2007 18:05:24 -0700, "Aluckyguess" wrote in
:

The whole global warming thing in my opinion is a hoax.

You need to inform yourself. Have you seen Gore's movie yet?

Mr. Gore's presentation was shallow and misleading, unfortunately,
presenting theories as fact and grossly understating the pain of
fighting global warming. He could have done a much better job, I think.

Okay, I am willing to forgive him trotting out the story about his son
one more time, even if he contradicts it slightly later on in the
movie. But I cannot swallow his little pile of gold vs. the earth skit.
Come on. It is not a choice between a little pile of gold and the
earth. It is a choice, if Gore is right about global warming, between
jobs, medicine, housing, food, clothing, clean water, and everything
else necessary for life, every luxury that makes life worth living --
it is a choice between all of that and the planet earth.

Gore is not going to win many supporters as long as he presents the
solution as a bunch of environmental aristocrats living in their manor
houses supported by starving peons a la medieval England. Gore, if he
really wants to galvanize the world into action, needs to tell the
truth. Going back to the emissions of 1970 means going to back to a
standard of living of 1970. Do you think Asia would stand for that?
Does he not realize that trying to get the Chinese to go back to what
they had in 1970 just might start a nuclear war? (But then, that might
cure global warming.)

And make no mistake, China is not the fine example of environmentalism
that Gore claimed. Russia has borne the brunt of some serious Chinese
pollution in recent years, and Chinese factories are among the most
polluting on earth.

But even then, global warming was increasing (by Gore's own admission
in the movie) in 1970, so going back to 1970s emissions levels would do
nothing to stop it. We would still have global warming. All the bad
outcomes predicted by Gore in the movie would still come to pass, even
if every measure he proposes was adopted right now.

Personally, I think if global warming is really caused by human
activity as Gore says, then you are looking at some serious
consequences of reducing that activity. Everybody in Asia wants a car.
They are going to be very upset if Al Gore tries to tell them that they
can't have one. The Africans are going to be unhappy if someone tries
to impose a hunter-gatherer lifestyle on them again. These people might
be so unhappy as to do something about it, like cut off all our access
to resources and, if that doesn't work, lob a few missiles our way. Or,
desperate for resources, we might lob a few missiles in their
direction. No matter, the outcome is the same -- everybody dies. And
100% of species go extinct.

CO2 reduction has serious human costs. It means food, medicine,
shelter, clothing, and everything else will be more expensive to
produce and to transport, which means more people will starve to death,
die in plagues, die of exposure, etc. Gore needs to come clean on how
many people his policies, if implemented, will die. If you want to
return CO2 emissions to the pre-20th century, then the population will
have to return to those levels as well, which means half the people of
the world will die for clean air. That is nearly 3 and a half billion
people, putting Al Gore in a class of mass murderer that makes all the
mass murderers of history appear as nothing. Maybe Gore believes that
they will all die anyway if nothing is done, but he should have the
courage to say so. Pardon me for saying so, but it seems to me that all
those billions of people consigned by Mr. Gore to death, poverty and
misery just might resent it. Maybe death, poverty and misery are
inevitable, but I suspect that they might not see it that way.

Gore promotes only CO2 reduction as a solution. Well, billions of
deaths and a world in poverty is the cost of CO2 reduction. He should
tell the inconvenient truth about that. It isn't just giving up SUVs,
or changing to flourescents, or energy efficient windows, and he knows
it. He dates global warming from long before the SUV became popular. He
ignores other possible technologies, even mass planting of
carbon-absorbing trees, air scrubbers, even satellite technology.
Instead, he just wants to force everyone to live like little hobbits,
even if it kills them.

The last UN report on global warming indicated that although the
scientists believe that global warming is human caused, they also
believe that nothing can be done to stop it. It is too late. The ice
caps are going to melt no matter what we do. That last part got left
out of most news reports and was completely ignored by Gore and his
tribe, yet it this report claims to be the consensus view of the
world's scientists. Gore wants to kill 3.5 billion people and have the
survivors living on vegetable gardens in their yards for what? Nothing.
Nada. The ice caps will melt anyway. A third (perhaps more) of the
world's species will still go extinct. Everyone still gets to live in
Hell. It appears that the only thing that the politicians are doing
about it is to see who gets to be the chief devil.

And then again, 'global' warming might be a little misleading. There
are obvious signs of warming all over the solar system. Melting polar
caps on Mars. A second Great Spot on Jupiter. Comets losing mass. Is
that caused by human activity as well? So, if Al Gore is right and gets
his way, we are going to kill 3.5 billion people and reduce the rest to
poverty in a futile effort to prevent global warming. If he is right
and does not get his way, we will have the same outcome. If he is
wrong, then we are simply dependent on the vagaries of the solar
system, which will eventually drive us all to extinction anyway. And
all three possibilities present a serious risk of apocalyptic war. Some
choice, eh?

There was a time, not so long ago, when no trees grew in Seattle. Or
London, either. The air was too dirty to support them. We solved that
problem with better technology, not by returning to a 17th century
lifestyle. Modern cities are full of beautiful, flourishing trees. That
is the model for solving global warming, too, if it can be solved. If
it cannot, then I guess it doesn't much matter what we do.
--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

On Apr 6, 9:24 am, "Matt Barrow" wrote:
"Aluckyguess" wrote in message

...

The planet earth will be here long after were gone. It will fix itself. I
think it would be better to put our efforts into helping homeless
Americans,

How about them help themselves?

slow down the influx of illegal aliens

Yes.

and figure a way to get affordable health care for the middle class.

Simple: get government out of it.

Amen! In the history of the world, when has anything ever become more
efficient, better service, and less money by having the gov't provide
it???? On the other hand, if the goal is to get 10% of people to pay
for the other 90%, then gov't is the only way to make that happen. I'd
love to see someone actually try to bring the IRS up on charges of
extortion. Stop paying your taxes and men with guns WILL show up in
your house in the middle of the night!!!


-Robert

-Robert

Larry Dighera wrote:
On Fri, 06 Apr 2007 09:48:51 -0500, 601XL Builder
wrDOTgiacona@suddenlinkDOTnet wrote in
:

Why the hell does anyone thing it should
become static now that we are here?

Perhaps the issue is more about mediating that change so that its
destructive potential is mitigated.


But to do so we are screwing which nature which the environmentalists
have been saying is BAD for the last 50 years or so.

Then there is the whole issue that the warming trend isn't even limited
to Earth and that Mars is experiencing global warming as well.

("Richard Riley" wrote)
Hey, he buys Carbon Credits so he can pollute, guilt-free, all he wants.

I've talked to several good looking priests over the years. They could be
having sex all the time, but they aren't. So if you're married and
getting some on the side, you can offset it by buying their monogamy
credits.


Speaking of religion...

(Listen Now or Download)
http://www.am1500.com/podcasts/index.shtml#garage
Select Wednesday (4-4-07) 3:00 (hour)

Global Warming and Martin Luther g

http://www.iclnet.org/pub/resources/...inetyfive.html
27. They preach man who say that so soon as the penny jingles into the
money-box, the soul flies out [of purgatory].


Montblack
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/art...rming_fee.html
Business of Global Warming Feels a Lot Like Inquisition
By William F. Buckley

On 2007-04-06 09:57:26 -0700, "Robert M. Gary" said:



Amen! In the history of the world, when has anything ever become more
efficient, better service, and less money by having the gov't provide
it????

Um, the autobahn and superhighways? They would not have existed at all
if not for government. Same for the rule of law, national defense, and
many other services provided by governments. Some governments may do
these things better than others, but all you have to do is look at
countries that have gone through periods without functioning
governments, such as Albania, Somalia, Afghanistan, etc. Without
government and the rule of law, you have the Taliban. You have
warlords. You have slavery and human misery.
--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

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On Apr 6, 10:23 am, "Matt Barrow"

Well, for HP Laserjets alone:
Circuit Board Manufacturing
Electrical Design Engineering
Test Engineering
Final Product Assembly
To name a few...

Well, you just named two of four that are relatively unskilled, in a product
line that is 20 yers old (or more).


But hey, we have more jobs flipping burgers than we used to!

Engineers are now burger flippers?

Hmmm... the American share of patents is rising about 1% a year, now
something like 75% of all those issued in the world (okay, the Islamic
countires are not doing their fair share).

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