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Corky Scott wrote in
: On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 01:31:33 GMT, Juan Jimenez wrote: Exactly. Thank you so much for walking right into that one and proving my point beyond a shadow of a doubt, They said they cannot prove the documents are authentic, not that the content of the documents are false. Keep swinging! Maybe next week, kiddo! I don't think so. I'm taking my own advice which I've offered many times before in regards anyone attempting intelligent conversation with you and halting my participation. Oh, poor baby, Corky loses the debate and now decides to go home and throw a tantrum? Tsk tsk... |
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On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 22:03:29 GMT, Juan Jimenez wrote:
richard riley wrote in : :Why should we believe her over Killians own son? And wife Who also didn't spend every day with him at the office. and commanding officer (Gen Hodges) Who only confirmed that the document was not authentic, not that the content was innacurate. and the retired General that was supposed to be pressuring them (Staudt). Who is refusing to comment on the matter. There's not a single piece of evidence or testimony that Bush got special treatment or didn't do what was required that hasn't been completely disproved. Wrong again. No evidence has been found that the Shrub showed up for duty in his Alabama Guard unit in the time that has been disputed. None. The misconception is that the military documented everything and that those documents are perfectly preserved in an archive. It just ain't so! You would think an Army CID murder investigation would be well documented. After 8 years of research the only documents I've found are 2 civilian newspaper articles. So the absence of documents only proves there are no documents. Actually, it only proves that they haven't been found. By the way, do you have anything (verifiable documents) other than your own crowing that proves Campbell is flying around in a 727. He could have just as easily have fallen down a well in a drunken stupor. Same analogy. |
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"Juan Jimenez" wrote in message
... richard riley wrote in : :Why should we believe her over Killians own son? And wife Who also didn't spend every day with him at the office. and commanding officer (Gen Hodges) Who only confirmed that the document was not authentic, not that the content was innacurate. and the retired General that was supposed to be pressuring them (Staudt). Who is refusing to comment on the matter. There's not a single piece of evidence or testimony that Bush got special treatment or didn't do what was required that hasn't been completely disproved. Wrong again. No evidence has been found that the Shrub showed up for duty in his Alabama Guard unit in the time that has been disputed. None. How a guy who put in 600 hours in F106s "part time" is supposed to be a shirker is beyond me. Meanwhile, sKerry bugged out of Nam with 3 scratches after only 4 months. It's one thing for an enlisted man or draftee to "game the system" to bug out early, quite another for a commissioned Navy officer to do so. Absolutely despicable. Which is why 80% of his unit mates despise him. Plust meeting the VC later in Paris. Good lord... Here's a great summary of Bush's guard service from the Mudville Gazette weblog. I will take the word of Bush's contemporaries and commanders over Killian's typist who BTW is a partisan democrat and Bush hater, therefore whos credibility is zero anyway, any time. Juan you are a classic Micheal Moore Moonbat Leftist. And that says everything. John the Canadian Bush Fan ------------------------------------------------------------ Note To Big Media on Bush AWOL: The Truth Is Out There For a long time, I've wanted to prepare a detailed summary of the evidence of the many National Guard veterans who have come forward to verify George Bush's service. Most of the evidence is in the extended entry. This item is cross-posted from I Love Jet Noise. Another National Guard veteran who served with George Bush has stepped forward to vouch for the President, leading me once again to ask: why are the lamestream media unable (or perhaps unwilling?) to find these people? Could it be bias? Day after day the media repeat the same two or three lame accusations, supported by the same two or three tired, old accusers. But voters only get one side of the story: the side the Kerry campaign wants you to hear. What ever happened to balanced reporting? Exculpatory evidence? There's plenty. Let's look at the accusations -- and the evidence you haven't seen: 1. Bush was a slacker who used his Daddy's influence to get into the Guard and avoid combat. He had no flying ability and shirked his duty: Retired Colonel Ed Morrisey ought to know about Lt. George Bush: he swore the young National Guardsman in and observed his service firsthand (via Power Line): "George W. went to pilot training, seated well, being selected to be a fighter pilot, which is at the top of the line in the Air Force selection process. Came back to train in the F-102 at Ellington. He stood alert like anyone else," says Colonel Morrisey. According to Morrisey, then-Lieutenant Bush more than fulfilled his guard requirements. Morrisey says in the six years the President served he never failed to meet participation point requirements. "Bush averaged 176 per year. In no year did he have less that 50," says Morrisey. "He was rated by his commander, Col. Maurice Udell in the top 5 of his pilots." One of the criticisms leveled at the President is that he sought guard service to keep him from serving in Vietnam. Morrisey says, "not so." "The Air Force, in their ultimate wisdom, assembled a group of 102's and took them to Southeast Asia. Bush volunteered to go. But he needed to have 500 [flight] hours, but he only had just over 300 hours so he wasn't eligible to go," Morrisey recalls. Despite that, Lieutenant Bush stayed busy. "He flew in active air defense missions, training missions. Day, night, regardless of inclement weather," Morrisey says. Colonel Morrisey assured us that to the best of his knowledge Lieutenant Bush was treated like any other officer in the Texas Air National Guard. Perhaps the media declined to interview Morrisey because he's just another bitter, partisan hack. Like Bill Burkett, for instance...it's so refreshing to see the same standard applied even-handedly, isn't it? Morrisey says he considers himself to be more of a Libertarian than Republican or Democrat. Nonetheless, Morrisey says he is voting for George Bush come election day. And then there's Bush's roommate, Major Dean A. Roome. Hardly a household word like Burkett (now discredited) or Turnipseed (an Alzheimer's sufferer misquoted by the Boston Globe), mainstays of the Bush AWOL story. Surely it didn't take the investigative talents of Woodward and Bernstein to unearth Major Roome's story: "He was one of my favorite people to ride formation with, because he was smooth. He was a very competent pilot," Roome said. "You sort of bet your life on each other in some of those formation missions, and to me it was always a pleasure to fly with George. He was good." Bush logged more than 625 hours in the cockpit and ranked in the top 10 percent of his squadron, according to his performance evaluations. "They're saying we're all a bunch of privileged draft dodgers, and that we got in there to get out of Vietnam," Roome said. "But that's not the case. In our unit, we had an average of two people overseas in the Vietnam theater continuously from 1968 to 1970." He says he and other Guard pilots did combat support missions as part of a program codenamed "Palace Alert Southeast Asia." He recalls Bush and another lieutenant volunteering for the program. "When I left for it, I told him he ought to look into it, and George was interested in it, because he and (ret. Lt. Col. Fred) Bradley went and saw the colonel and inquired about it," Roome said. But they were too late. The program was winding down and not accepting any more volunteers, and Bush didn't have enough flight time to qualify anyway. By July 1970, the overseas F-102 program had been canceled altogether, Roome says. The accounts of Morrisey and Roome are corroborated by a third officer, Colonel William Campenelli: A pilot program using ANG volunteer pilots in F-102s (called Palace Alert) was scrapped quickly after the airplane proved to be unsuitable to the war effort. Ironically, Lt. Bush did inquire about this program but was advised by an ANG supervisor (Maj. Maurice Udell, retired) that he did not have the desired experience (500 hours) at the time and that the program was winding down and not accepting more volunteers. "Lieutenant Bush is an outstanding young pilot and officer and is a credit to his unit," Lt. Col. Bobby Hodges wrote on May 27, 1971. "This officer is rated in the upper 10 percent of his contemporaries." Another, written by Maj. William Harris on May 26, 1972, was just as glowing: "Lieutenant Bush is an exceptional fighter interceptor pilot and officer." But Bush was obviously just a snotty rich kid - of course his officer buds would stick up for him. I'll bet he was a real jerk around enlisted men... always throwing his weight around. Former Staff Sergeant Dan Liles: ....wonders why previous Bush campaigns didn't trumpet his exemplary flying record. "I was surprised when he ran for president that his flying record didn't come out," he said, "because it was pretty good." Liles, who also doubts "any rules were bent" for Bush, says the young Ivy League officer never acted like he was better than anyone else in the squadron. "He was one of the few officers out there who would let you walk along beside him. Most officers, you'd have to walk five feet behind them out on the flight line," Liles said. "But Bush wasn't like that. He was probably the nicest guy out there." 2. Bush went AWOL during the last year of his Guard service: Several bloggers have analyzed his drill records here, here, and here and have found nothing remarkable. The media, astonishingly ignorant about even active duty military matters, are really lost at sea when it comes to understanding Reserve drill requirements. But surely investigative journalists could scare up a Reservist or two with admin experience to help them interpret these records? And then there are the eyewitnesses who remember seeing Lt. Bush: Captain Ed reports that Air Force Sgt. James Copeland, saw George W. Bush report for drill at Dannelly Air National Guard Base in Montgomery, AL during the period CBS and Democrats claim he was AWOL: Copeland, who lives in Hartselle, retired from the Air Force on Jan. 31, 1980. He was the disbursement accounting supervisor, a full-time position, for Dannelly Air National Guard Base in Montgomery from Oct. 28, 1971, to Oct. 27, 1975. His office was less than 100 yards from the hangar where Bush performed drills. Rumors say Bush went AWOL while assisting Winton "Red" Blount in an unsuccessful campaign for U.S. Senate focus on 1972 and 1973. Moreover, Copeland disputes the DNC's smear that Bush levereged his privileged background: "Maybe the Bush family was well known in Texas, but we didn't know who he was here. He was just another guy in a flight jacket," Copeland said Sunday. Copeland's account is important, because it corroborates the account of another eyewitness, Lt. Col. John Calhoun: Copeland, 65, remembers meeting Bush on two occasions. He does not remember the precise dates. On one occasion, Copeland said, Bush and Lt. Col. John "Bill" Calhoun came to Copeland's office with a question about Bush's pay. Copeland is not sure, but he believes the question had to do with where to mail Bush's checks. Copeland stressed that Calhoun's account of Bush's service in Montgomery would be accurate because Calhoun was in a position to work with Bush during every drill. Calhoun told The Associated Press last week that he saw Bush every drill time, which was one weekend each month. Not only was Calhoun in a position to know of Bush's service, Copeland said, but Calhoun "was an ethical and honest officer." Via Bill Hobbs Calhoun came forward back in February to say he remembered seeing Bush report for drill: "The truth is George Bush came to Alabama. He asked for weekend drills with us. He was assigned to me," said Calhoun, who was in Florida on Friday for this weekend's Daytona 500 festivities. "He showed up. He sat in my office. He signed in," Calhoun said. "He was very determined to be there. He was in uniform and he did what he was supposed to do." Calhoun recalled he thought the young lieutenant was "fairly low key" though Bush told him he had been "working day and night" on Blount's Senate campaign. Calhoun asked Bush if he had political ambition. "He said, 'I don't know. Maybe.' " Calhoun said he sometimes grabbed a sandwich with Bush in the snack bar. Other times, the young pilot would sit on a couch and read flight magazines and training manuals. A third eyewitness also places the young Bush in the area. Emily Wills Curtis remembers seeing him, too - several times: "He called to tell me he was coming back to finish up his National Guard duty," said Mrs. Curtis, who now lives in New Orleans. "I can say categorically he was there, and that's why he came back." She said that he rented an apartment for a two-week stay and that she met him for dinner several times. "I didn't see him go to work. I didn't see him come home from work," she said. "He told me that was why he was in Montgomery. There is no other reason why he would come back to Montgomery." Kevin Drum has a sighting too: Joe LeFevers, a member of the 187th in 1972, said he remembers seeing Bush in unit offices and being told that Bush was in Montgomery to work on Blount's campaign. "I was going in the orderly room over there one day, and they said, 'This is Lt. Bush,'" LeFevers said Tuesday. "They pointed him out to me ... the reason I remember it is because I associate him with Red Blount." Is anyone else starting to see a pattern here? In each case, several witnesses have come forth independently, giving the same story and corroborating the same version of events. Personally I question the timing. Fortunately, the media are not as gullible as the pajamahadeen: that's why they're the pros. They continue to report the misquotation of William Turnipseed, a man with Alzheimer's disease, who says he wasn't even on the base, and therefore could not be sure whether or not George Bush attended drill, as "proof" he was AWOL. And they continue to run the word of a Democratic partisan with a history of mental problems, a man who once swore under oath he did not use improper influence to help Bush get into the Guard, a man who has been implicated in the handling of forged documents, as a credible source. That's why we need to keep news coverage out of the hands of the hoi-polloi, folks. 3. Bush disobeyed orders to report for drill and to take a flight physical: But in an interview, Turnipseed states that Robinson's reporting of their conversation was either distorted or based upon his misunderstanding of how the military functioned at the time of Bush's service. For Bush to be "AWOL" or "away without leave," he would have had to have been assigned to a unit and under its command. Turnipseed states Bush was never ordered to report to the Alabama Air National Guard. He points out that Bush never transferred from the Texas Air National Guard to the Alabama Air National Guard. He remained in the Texas Guard during his stay in Alabama. This was confirmed by the Texas Guard. And Turnipseed added that Bush was never under his command or any other officer in the Alabama Guard. Turnipseed added that Bush was informed of the drill schedule of the Alabama Guard as a courtesy so he could get credit for drills while in Alabama for his service record in the Texas Guard. There was no compulsory attendance.This was also confirmed by the Texas Guard. Lt. Col. Campenelli addresses the charge that Bush defied an "order" to take a flight physical: Another frequent charge is that, as a member of the Texas ANG, Lt. Bush twice ignored or disobeyed lawful orders, first by refusing to report for a required physical in the year when drug testing first became part of the exam, and second by failing to report for duty at the disciplinary unit in Colorado to which he had been ordered. Well, here are the facts: First, there is no instance of Lt. Bush disobeying lawful orders in reporting for a physical, as none would be given. Pilots are scheduled for their annual flight physicals in their birth month during that month's weekend drill assembly - the only time the clinic is open. In the Reserves, it is not uncommon to miss this deadline by a month or so for a variety of reasons: The clinic is closed that month for special training; the individual is out of town on civilian business; etc. If so, the pilot is grounded temporarily until he completes the physical. Also, the formal drug testing program was not instituted by the Air Force until the 1980s and is done randomly by lot, not as a special part of a flight physical, when one easily could abstain from drug use because of its date certain. Blood work is done, but to ensure a healthy pilot, not confront a drug user. Second, there was no such thing as a "disciplinary unit in Colorado" to which Lt. Bush had been ordered. The Air Reserve Personnel Center in Denver is a repository of the paperwork for those no longer assigned to a specific unit, such as retirees and transferees. Mine is there now, so I guess I'm "being disciplined." These "disciplinary units" just don't exist. Any discipline, if required, is handled within the local squadron, group or wing, administratively or judicially. Had there been such an infraction or court-martial action, there would be a record and a reflection in Lt. Bush's performance review and personnel folder. None exists, as was confirmed in The Washington Post in 2000. Baldilocks finds Campenelli's view of events is supported by her own Reserve experience: In my reserve incarnation, I was an Aeromedical Services Technician (non-flying), whose primary peacetime purpose was to perform the paraprofessional portion of the physical exam to flying personnel. That entails, hearing exams, vision exams, vitals, blood work, immunizations, other stuff, and, most pertinent to this subject, scheduling the exams. So I know the colonel's part about the physicals to be true. We had pilots (and other flight crew) miss physicals all the time, due to a whole range of reasons (like not being on flying status for whatever reason, as was the case with Lt. Bush). The only thing that will happen to them is that they will be grounded, as Col. Campenni says. Not a big deal for a pilot with no aircraft to fly in. Also, I remember when the random drug test was instituted. At the onset of the new drug-testing policy, they tested everyone in the Air Force. That was the only time in which the test wasn't random. The implementation of the new policy occurred nine months after I joined the active duty Air Force, in 1981. I've said it before, and I'll say it again: You got nothing. And the mainstream media should be ashamed for its unprofessional and unethical failure to investigate this matter honestly and fairly. Its one-sided coverage of this story amounts to little more than a mindless parroting of Terry McAuliffe's latest talking points. Media lackwits like Tina Brown have been condescending and needlessly insulting to bloggers... oh, excuse me...Web charlatans: You'd think "Buckhead," who first spotted the flaws in the documents, is the cyberworld's Woodward and Bernstein. Now the conventional wisdom is that the media will be kept honest and decent by an army of incorruptible amateur gumshoes. In fact, cyberspace is populated by a coalition of political obsessives and pundits on speed who get it wrong as much as they get it right. It's just that they type so much they are bound to nail a story from time to time. (In other words, we're more fun than a barrel of monkeys banging on typewriters. Thanks for the warm fuzzy, Tina.) Seems to this web charletan that if a ragtag group of amateurs armed with modems and laptops can find the news in smalltown newspapers and radio stations, it's not too much to expect that professional journalists, with the vast resources of the corporate media behind them, might be expected do us one better. The truth is out there 99% of the game is showing up, guys. |
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Andy Asberry wrote in
: The misconception is that the military documented everything and that those documents are perfectly preserved in an archive. It just ain't so! So tell us something we don't know. All he has to do is come up with a document or two that proves he did his duty. No one is interested how many times he went to the head. So the absence of documents only proves there are no documents. Actually, it only proves that they haven't been found. That's what they said the first time, then they found more documents, then said it again, then found some more. Interesting, no? By the way, do you have anything (verifiable documents) other than your own crowing that proves Campbell is flying around in a 727. Ah, but you see, the difference here is that I don't _care_ if anyone here believes that, because whether or not anyone here does is irrelevant to me. He's in Mojave right now. If you want to know for sure, go ask him yourself, or better yet, go ask the Zero-G people. Juan |
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Richard Riley wrote in
news Except the record that shows he got a dental exam at Dannelly Air National Guard Base in Alabama on January 6, 1973. Sure, Riley, he sneaked into the base to get his teeth fixed and that proves he did his duty. Unhuh. I wonder why he avoided showing up at his unit that day. And retired Lt. Col. John "Bill" Calhoun, who told AP "I saw him each drill period. He was very aggressive about doing his duty there. He never complained about it. ... He was very dedicated to what he was doing in the Guard. He showed up on time and he left at the end of the day." One republican says that, no one else on his squadron, INCLUDING OTHER REPUBLICANS can back that up. Riiiight. Juan |
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"JDKAHN" wrote in
: How a guy who put in 600 hours in F106s "part time" is supposed to be a shirker is beyond me. He never flew the F-106, he flew the F-102, and he chose it because it was pulled out of Vietnam in 1969. At least Kerry went to Vietnam and, despite the barnyard animal sounds to the contrary, earned the medals he got, which the Navy confirmed. Here's a great summary of Bush's guard service from the Mudville Gazette weblog. I will take the word of Bush's contemporaries and commanders over Killian's typist who BTW is a partisan democrat and Bush hater, therefore whos credibility is zero anyway, any time. Juan you are a classic Micheal Moore Moonbat Leftist. And that says everything. Note To Big Media on Bush AWOL: The Truth Is Out There mercy snip "The Air Force, in their ultimate wisdom, assembled a group of 102's and took them to Southeast Asia. Bush volunteered to go. But he needed to have 500 [flight] hours, but he only had just over 300 hours so he wasn't eligible to go," Morrisey recalls. Which he KNEW. If he wanted to go so bad to Vietnam, why did he sign a piece of paper saying he did not want to go? This is nothing but the sign of a yellow streak a mile long on a coward. Several bloggers have analyzed his drill records here, here, and here and have found nothing remarkable. The media, astonishingly ignorant about even active duty military matters, are really lost at sea when it comes to understanding Reserve drill requirements. But surely investigative journalists could scare up a Reservist or two with admin experience to help them interpret these records? No problem, all the Shrub has to do is produce them. Put up or shut up. e was the disbursement accounting supervisor, a full-time position, for Dannelly Air National Guard Base in Montgomery from Oct. 28, 1971, to Oct. 27, 1975. His office was less than 100 yards from the hangar where Bush performed drills. So the Shrub came to get paid but none of his fellow flight officers saw him show up. That's even WORSE than what's already been said! Copeland, 65, remembers meeting Bush on two occasions. He does not remember the precise dates. So much for that cacameme story. Copeland stressed that Calhoun's account of Bush's service in Montgomery would be accurate because Calhoun was in a position to work with Bush during every drill. Calhoun told The Associated Press last week that he saw Bush every drill time, which was one weekend each month. Was he wearing his special "Bush detector glasses" that no other flight officer at the squadron was issued? What a bunch of mindless bull****. |
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"Juan Jimenez" wrote in message ... "JDKAHN" wrote in : How a guy who put in 600 hours in F106s "part time" is supposed to be a shirker is beyond me. He never flew the F-106, he flew the F-102, and he chose it because it was pulled out of Vietnam in 1969. At least Kerry went to Vietnam and, despite the barnyard animal sounds to the contrary, earned the medals he got, which the Navy confirmed. Ah finger trouble I meant to type 102... I recall a Boston Globe interview a blogger found, where Kerry talks about going to Vietnam and volunteering for SB duty because they didn't get too deeply into shooting situations doing coastal patrol. He said he wanted to get close but not TOO close. Then they switched roles to the inland rivers and he bugged out as soon as he could with some scratches, nicks and bits of metal in his ass from his own grenades. Some hero. I don't believe there are cases of any other officers abandoning their men like that so soon into their tours. Maybe you can find a similar case? Here's a great summary of Bush's guard service from the Mudville Gazette weblog. I will take the word of Bush's contemporaries and commanders over Killian's typist who BTW is a partisan democrat and Bush hater, therefore whos credibility is zero anyway, any time. Juan you are a classic Micheal Moore Moonbat Leftist. And that says everything. Note To Big Media on Bush AWOL: The Truth Is Out There mercy snip "The Air Force, in their ultimate wisdom, assembled a group of 102's and took them to Southeast Asia. Bush volunteered to go. But he needed to have 500 [flight] hours, but he only had just over 300 hours so he wasn't eligible to go," Morrisey recalls. Which he KNEW. If he wanted to go so bad to Vietnam, why did he sign a piece of paper saying he did not want to go? Not familiar with such a piece of paper. What is that? This is nothing but the sign of a yellow streak a mile long on a coward. Several bloggers have analyzed his drill records here, here, and here and have found nothing remarkable. The media, astonishingly ignorant about even active duty military matters, are really lost at sea when it comes to understanding Reserve drill requirements. But surely investigative journalists could scare up a Reservist or two with admin experience to help them interpret these records? No problem, all the Shrub has to do is produce them. Put up or shut up. e was the disbursement accounting supervisor, a full-time position, for Dannelly Air National Guard Base in Montgomery from Oct. 28, 1971, to Oct. 27, 1975. His office was less than 100 yards from the hangar where Bush performed drills. So the Shrub came to get paid but none of his fellow flight officers saw him show up. That's even WORSE than what's already been said! Copeland, 65, remembers meeting Bush on two occasions. He does not remember the precise dates. So much for that cacameme story. Compared to your whole case based on the old lady Democrat? Copeland stressed that Calhoun's account of Bush's service in Montgomery would be accurate because Calhoun was in a position to work with Bush during every drill. Calhoun told The Associated Press last week that he saw Bush every drill time, which was one weekend each month. Was he wearing his special "Bush detector glasses" that no other flight officer at the squadron was issued? Maybe he had Killian's secratary's mind reader psychic powers, where she knew Killian's thoughts from 30 years ago! HAHAHAHAHA What a bunch of mindless bull****. So let me get this straight... all of the people involved with Bush in the Guard, his senior officers and comrades, all of which had/have good things to say ON THE RECORD, are liars, and the 80% of Kerry's Swiftvet comrades, who say he is unfit and hate his guts, are also liars, but the old lady Democrat that typed stuff for Killian, who recalls Killian's thoughts and opinions about Bush which are contrary to the written record, trumps all those people.... I see. I'm stumped. I give up. Such powerful logic and insight is too much for me. You are a master of lost causes. Best part of the Guard thing has been that many people had no idea Bush was an ex fighter pilot and were quite impressed to find this out. Most people intuitively know that stupid people generally don't succeed flying all weather missions in 102s. And most people would not resent him serving stateside any more than they resent active Air Force pilots who served out their time in NORAD. Surely you don't think all pilots who served in NORAD instead of Vietnam are shirkers do you???? Anyway, even if we accept your case that he wasn't in Alabama, nobody really cares whether Bush appeared for some drills or not in the waning days of the war when the air force and Guard were trying to unload a glut of pilots anyway. I mean, lets compare... during this time your boy Kerry was busy being a traitor meeting secretly with VC reps as a commssioned officer of the Naval Reserve then coming back to lobby for their cause, something that you don't dispute (you can't really, it's the documented truth), and that was infintely more despicable than not having proof of attending some completely redundant drills in '72 in Alabama. How can you possibly support a candidate who was doing these things? Surely you don't think the winter soldier smear, being a lobbyist for the North Vietnamese at home, being a prop for the North to use against POWs, etc., was the right thing to do? He has never disavowed these things, never apologized for them. For god's sake even Jane Fonda apologized to vets!!!! In any case, I'm delighted that you accept the fact that Bush was a fighter pilot and flew all those hours, and as a matter of fact accumulated over three times the minimum requirement of Guard service points over 6 years, including the minimum 50 point requirement in each of the last two years when they no longer needed pilots anyway. Excellent. And he does have an honorable discharge so he must have got the 50 points for his last year somehow. Most lefties like M Moore simply claim he signed up and disappeared at the start. This is progress. This has been fun man. Very simulating. Thanks Juan. |
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In article , JDKAHN says...
Copeland, 65, remembers meeting Bush on two occasions. He does not remember the precise dates. So much for that cacameme story. Compared to your whole case based on the old lady Democrat? That's all guys like jaun and zoom need ,just a glimmer and it trumps all other evidence. So let me get this straight... all of the people involved with Bush in the Guard, his senior officers and comrades, all of which had/have good things to say ON THE RECORD, are liars, and the 80% of Kerry's Swiftvet comrades, who say he is unfit and hate his guts, are also liars, but the old lady Democrat that typed stuff for Killian, who recalls Killian's thoughts and opinions about Bush which are contrary to the written record, trumps all those people.... I see. I'm stumped. I give up. Such powerful logic and insight is too much for me. You are a master of lost causes. He's had lots of practice defending zoom ...another example of jaun logic and insight.Now it's 3 lost causes he's defended ...zoom,BD and now this. It's no wonder he's trying to be a reporter. And most people would not resent him serving stateside any more than they resent active Air Force pilots who served out their time in NORAD. Surely you don't think all pilots who served in NORAD instead of Vietnam are shirkers do you???? In these peoples minds no other service counts unless it's kerry's.Every sin is forgiven unless it's a conservative or Republican and everyone is a dummy unless you vote democrat. Anyway, even if we accept your case that he wasn't in Alabama, nobody really cares whether Bush appeared for some drills or not in the waning days of the war when the air force and Guard were trying to unload a glut of pilots anyway. I mean, lets compare... during this time your boy Kerry was busy being a traitor meeting secretly with VC reps as a commssioned officer of the Naval Reserve then coming back to lobby for their cause, something that you don't dispute (you can't really, it's the documented truth), and that was infintely more despicable than not having proof of attending some completely redundant drills in '72 in Alabama. That's where I find kerry most repulsive,his trips to Paris while Americans were still in the Hanoi Hilton and on the ground in Nam. He could have protested the war and bitched about the Gov'ment but his description of our soldiers while they were still afield is treason in my book. How can you possibly support a candidate who was doing these things? Surely you don't think the winter soldier smear, being a lobbyist for the North Vietnamese at home, being a prop for the North to use against POWs, etc., was the right thing to do? He has never disavowed these things, never apologized for them. For god's sake even Jane Fonda apologized to vets!!!! Best as I can tell America has 3 traitors Benedict Arnold,Jane Fonda and John Kerry. Klinton might still make the list after his total history is out. In any case, I'm delighted that you accept the fact that Bush was a fighter pilot and flew all those hours, and as a matter of fact accumulated over three times the minimum requirement of Guard service points over 6 years, including the minimum 50 point requirement in each of the last two years when they no longer needed pilots anyway. Excellent. And he does have an honorable discharge so he must have got the 50 points for his last year somehow. Most lefties like M Moore simply claim he signed up and disappeared at the start. This is progress. Have you heard that the reason that kerry won't sign to release "all" his records is that he just got his honorable discharge during the Klinton years? I've been trying to find more data to see if this is true or an urban legend. This has been fun man. Very simulating. Yours and jauns dialog was an interesting study of the difference between a logic and reasoned approach (yours) and the illogical,fragmented ,name calling and chest thumping of the left (jaun). See ya Chuck S RAH-14/1 ret |
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Juan Jimenez wrote in message .. .
Andy Asberry wrote in : +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++snip++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ By the way, do you have anything (verifiable documents) other than your own crowing that proves Campbell is flying around in a 727. Ah, but you see, the difference here is that I don't _care_ if anyone here believes that, because whether or not anyone here does is irrelevant to me. He's in Mojave right now. If you want to know for sure, go ask him yourself, or better yet, go ask the Zero-G people. Juan yawn; I would give about anything to meet that cowardly piece of garbage face to face every time I tried he ran to the police or security. He even wrote in US ravinator that he beat feet more than once from me.Talk is cheap asshole what say you or the other ball less jerk and I meet face to face at SnF next year. Neither of you have credibility or balls. Frank M.Hitlaw,Jakarta; |
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