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I'll take a chance and assume you're talking about KISW. Conditions by me,
east of there went from 2000 and 5 to just about 0 around noon Saturday, snowing like heck. One problem in our area is poor radar coverage at that altitude from ZMSP. While inbound in close to the airport while IFR but not yet on an approach segment I've had students request a lower altitude than 3000 to remain out of icing. I've only heard of one case that they let the guy go down to 2800, but that was it. The thing to keep in mind would be that they may not have complete radar coverage on you, they may have a primary fix, but not mode C info. You could try asking for a clearance at your current altitude, give them a position report and they may clear you to an initial approach fix requireing you to report at the fix, then once you do clearing you for the approach. You could then circle to land if required. -- Jim Burns III Remove "nospam" to reply |
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Brien K. Meehan ) wrote:
Peter R. wrote: Do a 180 and find a nearby airport outside the lower visibility. That might be the right answer for a non-rated PPL, but with 3SM visibility and 1800ft ceiling, there's no good reason to do that if you can just get an IFR clearance and continue. I believe the OP was concerned about icing in the clouds. ATC, given the MEA of 3,000, might have sent him up in the clouds as part of his clearance. Thus, my question about the minimum vectoring altitude. -- Peter ----== Posted via Newsfeed.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeed.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups ---= 19 East/West-Coast Specialized Servers - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- |
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Sami,
Did this happen to you recently and if so what did you do - Or is this a "what if" scenario you were just going over in case? "O. Sami Saydjari" wrote: Let's say your 15 miles from your home airport in VMC, not on a flight plan. You know the area well. On your way, unforecast conditions (snow) causes visibility to start dropping below 3 miles. Ceilings are at 1800. You are just below the ceiling. You know the area well enough to do a contact approach safely, even though the MSA for the area is 3000 ft MSL (2000 ft AGL). Seems like the right thing to do in such a situation is to call ATC, tell them your situation (although I am not sure precisely what one would say), and ask for an on-the-fly IFR contact approach clearance. It seems like seeking a full IFR approach causes one to go up into the clouds and risk icing, and so would be a less safe alternative. Opinions? -Sami N2057M, Piper Turbo Arrrow III |
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Ummm, let's just say that it was a very vivid hypothetical
Why do you ask? -Sami Jeff wrote: Sami, Did this happen to you recently and if so what did you do - Or is this a "what if" scenario you were just going over in case? "O. Sami Saydjari" wrote: Let's say your 15 miles from your home airport in VMC, not on a flight plan. You know the area well. On your way, unforecast conditions (snow) causes visibility to start dropping below 3 miles. Ceilings are at 1800. You are just below the ceiling. You know the area well enough to do a contact approach safely, even though the MSA for the area is 3000 ft MSL (2000 ft AGL). Seems like the right thing to do in such a situation is to call ATC, tell them your situation (although I am not sure precisely what one would say), and ask for an on-the-fly IFR contact approach clearance. It seems like seeking a full IFR approach causes one to go up into the clouds and risk icing, and so would be a less safe alternative. Opinions? -Sami N2057M, Piper Turbo Arrrow III |
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LOL... I was just curoius as to what you did.
dont worry, I wont flame you or tell you not to fly or anything stupid like that, was just wondering what decision you made in the heat of the moment. Sitting back here he a nice safe house its so easy to put others down and to say what is suppose to happen, even the big airline pilots make mistakes or sometimes do things different then what they would do if they had time to sit at home and arm chair quarterback it. "O. Sami Saydjari" wrote: Ummm, let's just say that it was a very vivid hypothetical Why do you ask? -Sami Jeff wrote: Sami, Did this happen to you recently and if so what did you do - Or is this a "what if" scenario you were just going over in case? "O. Sami Saydjari" wrote: Let's say your 15 miles from your home airport in VMC, not on a flight plan. You know the area well. On your way, unforecast conditions (snow) causes visibility to start dropping below 3 miles. Ceilings are at 1800. You are just below the ceiling. You know the area well enough to do a contact approach safely, even though the MSA for the area is 3000 ft MSL (2000 ft AGL). Seems like the right thing to do in such a situation is to call ATC, tell them your situation (although I am not sure precisely what one would say), and ask for an on-the-fly IFR contact approach clearance. It seems like seeking a full IFR approach causes one to go up into the clouds and risk icing, and so would be a less safe alternative. Opinions? -Sami N2057M, Piper Turbo Arrrow III |
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