Electric locomotion will replace internal combustion

On Sep 24, 4:16*pm, wrote:
Mark wrote:
On Sep 24, 2:18*pm, wrote:
Mark wrote:
On Sep 24, 1:40*pm, wrote:
Mark wrote:
On Sep 23, 12:30*pm, wrote:

In other words, there is nothing in production that makes even the 120
miles you claim.

Jim Pennino

300 ÷ 120 = 2.5

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Mark

So now you are claiming that there is a pure electric car in production
that gets 300 miles to a charge?

Where is it?

--
Jim Pennino

Oh, I think you may find it about 8 posts
back above this one, where I told you the first
time. However, they frequently exceed that
distance.

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Mark

I'm not going back through all your broken links.

Put up or shut up.

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Jim Pennino

????? *It isn't a link. I gave you the manufacturer's
name and model. It goes 300 miles on a charge.
It costs less than my truck did.

If you actually had something it would have been easier for you to just
repost the make and model instead of hand waving about it.

Put up or shut up.

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Jim Pennino


Well...Jim...it does get tiring having to repeat myself
over and over and over, when you've just not read what
I've already told you. Seems this is a reoccuring pattern.
I mean, I even counted for you to pinpoint it.

I don't know what arm-waving is. I'm a distance
swimmer, so, technically you're kinda right.

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Mark

On Sep 24, 4:15*pm, wrote:
Mark wrote:
On Sep 24, 2:37*pm, Jim Logajan wrote:
Mark wrote:
On Sep 24, 1:40*pm, wrote:
Mark wrote:
On Sep 23, 12:30*pm, wrote:

In other words, there is nothing in production that makes even the
120 miles you claim.

Jim Pennino

300 ÷ 120 = 2.5

---
Mark

So now you are claiming that there is a pure electric car in
production that gets 300 miles to a charge?

Where is it?

--
Jim Pennino

Oh, I think you may find it about 8 posts
back above this one, where I told you the first
time. However, they frequently exceed that
distance.

The Tesla Roadster only claims 245 miles/charge.
The Tesla Model S claims 300 miles/charge, but Tesla says it wont be
available till 2012.

Oh yeah - the Tesla Roadster has a list price of $109,000.
The Tesla Model S is listed at $56,500.
There is a $7500 tax incentive that drops those prices a little.

You can buy a pretty nice plane for $109k.

At this juncture we're discussing whether the technology
exists, and if it's going mainstream.

No, where are discussing whether or not the technology is on the market
with a side discussion of how affordable it is if it is on the market.

I'm not smart enough to do that. I'll have to restrict myself
to one topic, establish reality, then pick another. Your main
refute thus far has been that it is technologically impossible.
You've said it over and over.

Is this still your stance on an electric car? That they won't
exceed 40 miles on a charge, and never will, therefore we'll
never see them on the roads?

In 1969 I paid $75.00 for a calculator. It had 7 functions...
[ On, Off, Add, Subtract, Multiply, Divide, and Clear ]

Complex chips were infant technology in 1969.

Yes, that's the way I remember it.

Batteries and electric motors are mature technologies.

So are wheels. They predate the pyramids. But I
wouldn't put one of their wheels on my truck.

All the improvements in both in the last few decades have been in the area
of expensive materials engineering, i.e. rare earth elements.

Yes, you're absolutely correct. I believe the greater minds
today are thinking beyond Al-air (aluminum air) or Li-air
(lithium air) batteries. The military uses Al-batteries now,
but then, our national debt is 13 trillion dollars, so what
does that tell you.

Smart money is betting on carbon nano-engineering.
Does Walmart carry these today on isle 12? No. We're
basically talking about a NEW INVENTION here. Same
thing with Li-air, new invention. Are these mature
technologies? Of course not. Not even close. The anology
to a 1969 calculator is...apples to apples.

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Jim Pennino

Mark wrote:
On Sep 24, 4:16Â*pm, wrote:
Mark wrote:
On Sep 24, 2:18Â*pm, wrote:
Mark wrote:
On Sep 24, 1:40Â*pm, wrote:
Mark wrote:
On Sep 23, 12:30Â*pm, wrote:

In other words, there is nothing in production that makes even the 120
miles you claim.

Jim Pennino

300 ÷ 120 = 2.5

---
Mark

So now you are claiming that there is a pure electric car in production
that gets 300 miles to a charge?

Where is it?

--
Jim Pennino

Oh, I think you may find it about 8 posts
back above this one, where I told you the first
time. However, they frequently exceed that
distance.

---
Mark

I'm not going back through all your broken links.

Put up or shut up.

--
Jim Pennino

????? Â*It isn't a link. I gave you the manufacturer's
name and model. It goes 300 miles on a charge.
It costs less than my truck did.

If you actually had something it would have been easier for you to just
repost the make and model instead of hand waving about it.

Put up or shut up.

--
Jim Pennino


Well...Jim...it does get tiring having to repeat myself
over and over and over, when you've just not read what
I've already told you. Seems this is a reoccuring pattern.
I mean, I even counted for you to pinpoint it.

I don't know what arm-waving is. I'm a distance
swimmer, so, technically you're kinda right.

Can't even find it yourself, can you?


--
Jim Pennino

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Mark wrote:
On Sep 24, 4:15Â*pm, wrote:
Mark wrote:
On Sep 24, 2:37Â*pm, Jim Logajan wrote:
Mark wrote:
On Sep 24, 1:40Â*pm, wrote:
Mark wrote:
On Sep 23, 12:30Â*pm, wrote:

In other words, there is nothing in production that makes even the
120 miles you claim.

Jim Pennino

300 ÷ 120 = 2.5

---
Mark

So now you are claiming that there is a pure electric car in
production that gets 300 miles to a charge?

Where is it?

--
Jim Pennino

Oh, I think you may find it about 8 posts
back above this one, where I told you the first
time. However, they frequently exceed that
distance.

The Tesla Roadster only claims 245 miles/charge.
The Tesla Model S claims 300 miles/charge, but Tesla says it wont be
available till 2012.

Oh yeah - the Tesla Roadster has a list price of $109,000.
The Tesla Model S is listed at $56,500.
There is a $7500 tax incentive that drops those prices a little.

You can buy a pretty nice plane for $109k.

At this juncture we're discussing whether the technology
exists, and if it's going mainstream.

No, where are discussing whether or not the technology is on the market
with a side discussion of how affordable it is if it is on the market.

I'm not smart enough to do that. I'll have to restrict myself
to one topic, establish reality, then pick another. Your main
refute thus far has been that it is technologically impossible.
You've said it over and over.

Learn to read.

What I've said was technologically impossible for the foreseeable future
is any kind of portable, electric storage device to come anywhere near the
energy density of gasoline/diesel fuel.

Is this still your stance on an electric car? That they won't
exceed 40 miles on a charge, and never will, therefore we'll
never see them on the roads?

Learn to read.

What I've said was I don't see any production, pure electric cars with
a one charge range of greater than 40 miles.

Since saying that I realize the Tesla gets around 200 miles on a charge,
so there is one.

One.

What I also said was that the price of all the pure electric cars was too
high for anyone other than a rich enviro-whinner to buy one.

The price of the Tesla is over $100,000, about what a new LSA costs.

You have said such a price level is unatenable for the average person
to buy an airplane.

If that is too much to pay for a new airplane, it also too much to pay for
a new car.

QED.

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Jim Pennino

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On Sep 24, 5:49*pm, wrote:
Mark wrote:
On Sep 24, 4:16*pm, wrote:
Mark wrote:
On Sep 24, 2:18*pm, wrote:
Mark wrote:
On Sep 24, 1:40*pm, wrote:
Mark wrote:
On Sep 23, 12:30*pm, wrote:

In other words, there is nothing in production that makes even the 120
miles you claim.

Jim Pennino

300 ÷ 120 = 2.5

---
Mark

So now you are claiming that there is a pure electric car in production
that gets 300 miles to a charge?

Where is it?

--
Jim Pennino

Oh, I think you may find it about 8 posts
back above this one, where I told you the first
time. However, they frequently exceed that
distance.

---
Mark

I'm not going back through all your broken links.

Put up or shut up.

--
Jim Pennino

????? *It isn't a link. I gave you the manufacturer's
name and model. It goes 300 miles on a charge.
It costs less than my truck did.

If you actually had something it would have been easier for you to just
repost the make and model instead of hand waving about it.

Put up or shut up.

--
Jim Pennino

Well...Jim...it does get tiring having to repeat myself
over and over and over, when you've just not read what
I've already told you. Seems this is a reoccuring pattern.
I mean, I even counted for you to pinpoint it.

I don't know what arm-waving is. I'm a distance
swimmer, so, technically you're kinda right.

Can't even find it yourself, can you?

--
Jim Pennino

Huh? Now Mr.Logajan has also posted the same
info in this thread. Now 2 of us have mentioned this
300 mile/charge electric car. I don't understand.
It's all up in this thread now.

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Mark

Mark wrote:

Huh? Now Mr.Logajan has also posted the same
info in this thread. Now 2 of us have mentioned this
300 mile/charge electric car. I don't understand.

You don't understand that the Tesla doesn't claim 300 mile/charge?


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Jim Pennino

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On Sep 24, 6:21*pm, wrote:
Mark wrote:
Huh? *Now Mr.Logajan has also posted the same
info in this thread. *Now 2 of us have mentioned this
300 mile/charge electric car. *I don't understand.

You don't understand that the Tesla doesn't claim 300 mile/charge?

--
Jim Pennino

Tesla claims beyond 300 miles on one charge.

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Mark

On Sep 24, 6:52*pm, Mark wrote:
On Sep 24, 6:21*pm, wrote:

Mark wrote:
Huh? *Now Mr.Logajan has also posted the same
info in this thread. *Now 2 of us have mentioned this
300 mile/charge electric car. *I don't understand.

You don't understand that the Tesla doesn't claim 300 mile/charge?

--
Jim Pennino

Tesla claims beyond 300 miles on one charge.

---
Mark

They're also having trouble keeping up with demand.

My last count was in excess of 1500 already sold,
with deposit in escrow.

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Mark

On Fri, 24 Sep 2010 13:39:39 -0700 (PDT), Mark wrote:

I'm a distance
swimmer,

Another Mark(ie) accomplishment! On the list it goes!
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Mark wrote:
On Sep 24, 6:21Â*pm, wrote:
Mark wrote:
Huh? Â*Now Mr.Logajan has also posted the same
info in this thread. Â*Now 2 of us have mentioned this
300 mile/charge electric car. Â*I don't understand.

You don't understand that the Tesla doesn't claim 300 mile/charge?

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Jim Pennino

Tesla claims beyond 300 miles on one charge.

---
Mark

Lier.

Tesla claims 245 miles for the Roadster and 300 miles for the Model S,
which is in development and doesn't yet exist.

http://www.teslamotors.com/models


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Jim Pennino

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