Libelle Camelbak stowage

Gav Goudie wrote:
Why dont you just put it behind your head like everyone
else?!

As I said at the start, I'd seen somebody else claim he did this and I
want to know how, because there are no lashing points to prevent
anything placed there to get amongst the rudder pedals or disapear under
the pan during a winch launch. That doesn't mean I'd do it: I'm allergic
to loose stuff getting to where it shouldn't be.

I have a spar-top bag that will take the Camelbak and a fleece but
little else: some place to put the canopy cover would be nice too.

Is there an issue with the Camelbak dribbling down your neck or on your
pants (if you leave the tube dangling) if its behind your head?


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I put the Camelbak just in back of my head, in front of the spars,
wrapping its harness around the spar safety pins to keep it secure.
Nothing else is there except for the battery, so there's no need to
fret about fouling flight controls.

My Camelbak will indeed leak if the tube isn't kept nearly horizontal.
When I put it in the plane I route the tube outside the cockpit, and
after I'm in I route it over my shoulder and then under my shoulder
harness. Once (but only once) I got out and left the tube dangling on
the seat. I discovered after I'd gotten in again that it takes a long
time for your pants and underpants to dry out... grin

-John

Martin Gregorie wrote:

Ouch. But, surely that means putting the Camelbak through the hatch
behind the spars? That makes my teeth itch: there are far too many
control runs back there for it to get tangled up with.

(from another message)

Is there an issue with the Camelbak dribbling down your neck or on your
pants (if you leave the tube dangling) if its behind your head?

jcarlyle wrote:
I put the Camelbak just in back of my head, in front of the spars,
wrapping its harness around the spar safety pins to keep it secure.
Nothing else is there except for the battery, so there's no need to
fret about fouling flight controls.

Nice. The only trouble is that I carefully trimmed the straps off the
Camelbak to stop them tangling round things they shouldn't ought to.
Back then I was flying the club's Pegase and the Camelbak sat nicely
behind the adjustable seat back. I've wondered about doing the same in
the Libelle: its only a 1.5 litre Camelbak so it may be possible to sit
it in behind the top of the seat.

I take the points made about being clouted round the ears by the water
supply: actually, a gallon of water weighs 10 lbs, not 8. My Camelbak is
only 1.5 kg (3.5 lbs but still.... My spar-top bag clips onto the
grunging bar studs so it may restrain a Camelbak that's on the inside.
That certainly needs investigation.

My Camelbak will indeed leak if the tube isn't kept nearly horizontal.

I thought that might be the case. BTW, I've sat on the valve too when it
got down between me and the side of the seat pan.


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Martin Gregorie wrote:
actually, a gallon of water weighs 10 lbs, not 8.

That depend on which side of the pond you are on. Despite the American
proclivity for having everything oversize, their gallon is a wimp of a
portion as are their pints of beer.


Andy

jcarlyle wrote:
I put the Camelbak just in back of my head, in front of the spars,
wrapping its harness around the spar safety pins to keep it secure.
Nothing else is there except for the battery, so there's no need to
fret about fouling flight controls.

My Camelbak will indeed leak if the tube isn't kept nearly horizontal.
When I put it in the plane I route the tube outside the cockpit, and
after I'm in I route it over my shoulder and then under my shoulder
harness. Once (but only once) I got out and left the tube dangling on
the seat. I discovered after I'd gotten in again that it takes a long
time for your pants and underpants to dry out... grin

-John

Martin Gregorie wrote:

Ouch. But, surely that means putting the Camelbak through the hatch
behind the spars? That makes my teeth itch: there are far too many
control runs back there for it to get tangled up with.

(from another message)

Is there an issue with the Camelbak dribbling down your neck or on your
pants (if you leave the tube dangling) if its behind your head?


Also not applicable to Libelle as I fly a Std. Cirrus.

My solution was to make up a carbon fibre plate that holds my radio speaker, and
keeps stuff on the shelf behind my head. I put my bag behind this but offset so
that in the event of large decelleration forces being applied the CG of the bag
will be on the port side of the plate. Theory is that any liquid filled
projectile will pass a centimetre or so to the left of my ear.

Strangely my cheap Raleigh cycling bag does not leak with the tube significantly
lower than the bag.

I put mine right beside me on my right side with no
further tiedown (Discus B) standing upright and behind
the back rest. (I'm a little guy and there is enough
room for that; don't remember about the Libelle cockpit
arrangement.

Why not put it in front of your chest under the harness?
Again, a little guy solution.

At 19:36 12 January 2007, Jcarlyle wrote:
I put the Camelbak just in back of my head, in front
of the spars,
wrapping its harness around the spar safety pins to
keep it secure.
Nothing else is there except for the battery, so there's
no need to
fret about fouling flight controls.

My Camelbak will indeed leak if the tube isn't kept
nearly horizontal.
When I put it in the plane I route the tube outside
the cockpit, and
after I'm in I route it over my shoulder and then under
my shoulder
harness. Once (but only once) I got out and left the
tube dangling on
the seat. I discovered after I'd gotten in again that
it takes a long
time for your pants and underpants to dry out...

-John

Martin Gregorie wrote:

Ouch. But, surely that means putting the Camelbak
through the hatch
behind the spars? That makes my teeth itch: there
are far too many
control runs back there for it to get tangled up with.

(from another message)

Is there an issue with the Camelbak dribbling down
your neck or on your
pants (if you leave the tube dangling) if its behind
your head?

Were that I were little, Nyal - or at least littler! grin I should
have said before that I'm flying an ASW-19, it's Martin who's
interested in the Libelle libation setup.

That said, at first I did try putting the Camelbak behind the seat, but
found there wasn't enough room since I've got to have it all the way
back. I don't think I could put it on my chest after I've got the
parachute on, but then I haven't tried. Basically, I'm satisfied with
it in front of the spars, as I've checked my electrical system and I
make sure it's fastened to the spar pins so it can't become a
projectile.

-John

Nyal Williams wrote:
I put mine right beside me on my right side with no
further tiedown (Discus B) standing upright and behind
the back rest. (I'm a little guy and there is enough
room for that; don't remember about the Libelle cockpit
arrangement.

Why not put it in front of your chest under the harness?
Again, a little guy solution.

jcarlyle wrote:
Were that I were little, Nyal - or at least littler! grin I should
have said before that I'm flying an ASW-19, it's Martin who's
interested in the Libelle libation setup.

Ah Ha. *NOW* I understand how you tied it to the wing pins. I was
wondering! That would also work for a Pegase or ASW-20 but not for a
Libelle with its single wing pin.

However, I could probably use a double keyhole in an alloy plate to tie
it to the grunging pins on top of the spars. Said pins are like the
heads of two rather large nails that project from the tops of the spars
and are used with the grunging bar[1] to pull the wings together during
rigging.

[1] general term in the Cambridge club for this tool. SZD Juniors
and Kestrels also have grunging bars.


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