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Russia Threatens to Strike Terror Bases
This article seems to indicate that the US State Dept. is pressing a policy of
negotiations with the Chechnyan rebels. Ummmm...calling Colin Powell: Get a clue!! There is no reason to negotiate with the murderers of school children. I'm with Putin. Fire up the bombers and wipe the criminals out. And while we're at it Vladamir, it might be time to reconsider that nuclear reactor that you are building for the Iranians. The whole purpose is merely to give the Iranians a reason to have a nuclear enrichment program so they can make nuclear bombs under the guise of making reactor fuel. The Israelis are going to attack it if something isn't done before the process comes online. And seriously doubt that anyone in Russia proper wants Chechnyan rebels with nukes, do they? Dave MOSCOW (Sept. 8) - Russia's top general threatened on Wednesday to strike terrorists "in any region of the world," and the Kremlin offered a $10 million reward for information leading to the killing or capture of Chechnya's top rebel leaders. Russian officials also expressed growing anger with critics of the Kremlin's policy in Chechnya and criticized the United States for its willingness to hold talks with Chechen separatists. The announcements marked a show of resolve aimed at Russia's stunned citizens, as well as Western countries President Vladimir Putin accuses of hindering its fight against terror, in the wake of three attacks that killed more than 400 people in the past two weeks. In a nationally televised meeting, Prosecutor-General Vladimir Ustinov also briefed Putin on the investigation into the taking of more than 1,200 hostages in a school last week in the southern town of Beslan. His was the first official acknowledgment that the number of hostages had been so high; the government initially said about 350 people were seized. A regional official later said the number had been 1,181. Col.-Gen. Yuri Baluyevsky, chief of the general staff of Russia's armed forces, asserted Russia's right to strike terrorists beyond its borders. "As for carrying out preventive strikes against terrorist bases ... we will take all measures to liquidate terrorist bases in any region of the world," he told reporters. Baluyevsky made his comments alongside NATO's supreme allied commander in Europe, Gen. James Jones, after talks on Russia-NATO military cooperation, including anti-terror efforts. European Union officials reacted cautiously to Baluyevsky's statements, with spokeswoman Emma Udwin saying she could not be sure whether they represented government policy. Udwin said the 25-nation EU is against "extra-judicial killings" in form of pre-emptive strikes. Russian leaders have previously claimed the right to attack terrorists beyond the country's borders - tacitly threatening neighboring Georgia that Moscow would pursue Chechen rebels allegedly sheltering on its territory. Two Russian agents were convicted this year for the February car bombing in Qatar that killed a Chechen rebel leader, Zelimkhan Yandarbiyev. Russia denied involvement in the assassination. The Bush administration also has a policy of pre-emptive military action against terrorists. NATO officials declined comment. The alliance released a statement with Russia stressing both sides' "determination to strengthen and intensify common efforts to fight the scourge of terrorism." Nationalist lawmaker Dmitry Rogozin told Ekho Moskvy radio the warning appeared to be an effort to ease fears of terrorism in Russia following the crashes of two planes after explosions, a Moscow suicide bombing and the school seizure. Anger over the school attack simmered in North Ossetia, the southern Russian region bordering Chechnya mourning the deaths of hundreds of children, parents and teachers. Regional President Alexander Dzasokhov promised a furious crowd of 1,000 that the local government would step down within two days and said he would follow suit if he could not fulfill the protesters' demands for an independent inquiry - the first sign of officials being punished for failing to prevent the attack. Russia's Federal Security Service offered a reward of $10 million - its biggest bounty ever - for information that could help "neutralize" Chechen rebel leaders Shamil Basayev and Aslan Maskhadov, whom officials have accused of masterminding last week's hostage crisis. The agency said Basayev and Maskhadov have been responsible for "inhuman terrorist acts on the territory of the Russian Federation." Maskhadov, the former president of Chechnya, had denied any involvement in the school standoff, according to aides. There has been no word from Basayev, a longtime rebel warlord who had claimed involvement in bloody raids and hostage-takings in the past. Basayev is believed to be hiding in Chechnya; Russian officials have sometimes reported that Maskhadov has left the country. Ustinov said 326 hostages were killed and 727 wounded in the school attack, which ended Friday in a wave of explosions and gunfire. North Ossetian Deputy Health Minister Teimuraz Revazov later said 329 were confirmed dead. Ustinov said 210 bodies had been identified, and forensic workers also were trying to identify 32 body fragments. His deputy, Sergei Fridinsky, said the bodies of 12 attackers had been identified and that some had taken part in a deadly June attack in the neighboring republic of Ingushetia, the Interfax news agency reported. The authorities appeared to be backpedaling from their previous insistence on describing the attack as the work of international terrorists. At a meeting with visiting Western journalists and analysts Monday, Putin repeated investigators' allegations that 10 of the attackers were of Arab descent and denied that the hostage-taking was linked to Russia's policy in Chechnya. However, Ustinov said nothing about Arabs in his briefing. Asked about the silence, a Kremlin spokesman, Dmitry Peskov, told The Associated Press that forensic experts were working to identify the terrorists "and until that work is finished, it's impossible to tell." "According to preliminary data, there were Arabs," he said. "No one is denying the presence of Arabs." Fridinsky also appeared to contradict Putin by saying the attackers' demands were tied to the war in Chechnya. "The demands concerned chiefly political motives and were related to the anti-terrorist operation," he said, according to Interfax, using the formulation Russian authorities use instead of war. The global issue of terrorism drew Russia closer to the United States and other Western nations following the Sept. 11 attacks, when Putin expressed support for U.S. anti-terror efforts. But since the attack in Beslan, Putin and other top officials have turned up the volume on their accusations that Western nations apply double standards and hinder Russia's fight against terrorism by questioning its policy in Chechnya. Responding to a statement by State Department spokesman Richard Boucher, Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said Wednesday that "we solve our internal problems ourselves and there's no need to search for an American route to political normalization in Chechnya," Interfax reported. Foreign Ministry spokesman Alexander Yakovenko also lashed out at the United States, saying talks with Chechens linked to rebel leaders are "absolutely unacceptable." "After all, we are talking about those individuals who stand behind bloody attacks by terrorists in Russia, which have drawn the indignation of the entire civilized word," Yakovenko said in a statement. While joining condemnation of the school attack, the State Department said Tuesday that Moscow ultimately must hold political talks with rebellious Chechen leaders. Wednesday's TV broadcast of Ustinov's briefing was the first attempt by the government to give a formal account of the tragedy. The prosecutor said his information was based on interviews with witnesses and the one alleged attacker. Ustinov said the approximately 30 attackers, including two women, had met in a forest early Sept. 1 before heading to School No. 1 in Beslan in a truck and two jeeps packed with weapons and ammunition. People who had gathered to mark the first day of school were herded into the gym by the militants, some of whom voiced objections to seizing a school. Detainee Nur-Pashi Kulayev said the group's leader, who went by the name Colonel, shot one of the militants and said he would do the same to any other militants or hostages who did not show "unconditional obedience." Later that day, he detonated the explosives worn by two female attackers, killing them to enforce the lesson, Ustinov said. One of the militants was stationed with his foot on a button that would set off the explosives, Ustinov said; if he lifted his foot, the bombs strung up around the school gymnasium would detonate, he said. On Friday, the militants decided to change the arrangement of the explosives, and they appear to have set off one bomb by mistake, Ustinov said. That sparked panic as hostages tried to flee and the attackers opened fire. 09/08/04 19:27 EDT |
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seriously doubt that anyone in Russia proper wants Chechnyan rebels with
nukes, do they? Dave Nuclear tipped ICBMs are not very suitable weapons aganist terrorists ,but they are excellent weapons to deter countries that use terrorists as proxies. The recipients of Putins televised message is without any doubt are Anglos who use Al-Queda and other so called islamic terrorists as proxies to realize their domestic and foreign policy goals. Putins message is only a lightly disguised way of saying to US "Stop Al-Queda terrorism inside Russia,or else". If they are really serious,I am pretty sure that so called islamic terrorism will take a vacation in Russia. |
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"Denyav" wrote in message
... seriously doubt that anyone in Russia proper wants Chechnyan rebels with nukes, do they? Dave Nuclear tipped ICBMs are not very suitable weapons aganist terrorists ,but they are excellent weapons to deter countries that use terrorists as proxies. The recipients of Putins televised message is without any doubt are Anglos who use Al-Queda and other so called islamic terrorists as proxies to realize their domestic and foreign policy goals. Putins message is only a lightly disguised way of saying to US "Stop Al-Queda terrorism inside Russia,or else". If they are really serious,I am pretty sure that so called islamic terrorism will take a vacation in Russia. What nonsense! John |
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What nonsense!
1)Al-Queda is a Proxy of US.period. 2)The role of Al-Queda in Russia is to destabilize Russia and pave way for the resurrection of Brzezinkis long dead "Eurasia" plan. 3)US is not an Anglo country,but is an Anglo dominated country. 4)If US were an Anglo country like England,Pearl Harbor and 9/11 would NOT happen. "as America becomes an increasingly multicultural society,it may find it more diffucult to fashion a consensus on foreign policy issues,EXCEPT in the circumstances of truly massive and widely perceived direct external threat" Zbigniew Brzezinski 1997 Some minorities use Republican Guards some use PSYOPs and terrorists. |
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"John Mullen" wrote in message ...
"Denyav" wrote in message ... seriously doubt that anyone in Russia proper wants Chechnyan rebels with nukes, do they? Dave Nuclear tipped ICBMs are not very suitable weapons aganist terrorists ,but they are excellent weapons to deter countries that use terrorists as proxies. The recipients of Putins televised message is without any doubt are Anglos who use Al-Queda and other so called islamic terrorists as proxies to realize their domestic and foreign policy goals. Putins message is only a lightly disguised way of saying to US "Stop Al-Queda terrorism inside Russia,or else". If they are really serious,I am pretty sure that so called islamic terrorism will take a vacation in Russia. What nonsense! John The US has a history of using islamic based insurgence as a wedge against various European countries. The behaviour of the US during the Yugoslave/Bosnian/Kosovo issues was highly pro-islamic, clearly calculated to win favour in the middle east for the US oil interests and zionist sympathies while snuffing out any possible rival post eastern block alignments based on slavic ethniticities, orthodox christianity. This was despite the fact that the former yugoslave people were facing unprovoked terrorism, drug running, kidnapping and murder in Kosovo. It was merely necessary to reframe sincere anti-terrorism measures and the civil conflct as 'ethnic cleansing' and 'genocide' (such crimes did occur but at a miniscule fraction of the agit-prop propagandised rate and only AFTER NATO bombing reduced the situation to disroder: the crimes also clearly weren't one sided) |
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Eunometic wrote:
The US has a history of using islamic based insurgence as a wedge against various European countries. Any proof to this absurd claim? The one you tried to use below doesn't fly. The behaviour of the US during the Yugoslave/Bosnian/Kosovo issues The US came in because the Europeans had allowed, through their own inaction, a local mess to become so bad they couldn't handle it themselves. The Europeans were very upset to find out their local militaries were incapable of doing much of anything, and perhaps there was a good reason after all for the US's defense budget. If this is the type of thanks the US receives after it was invited in by the Europeans to clean up their own mess in their back yard, then perhaps next time we'll let you go it alone. |
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stop spam wrote in message ...
Eunometic wrote: The US has a history of using islamic based insurgence as a wedge against various European countries. Any proof to this absurd claim? The one you tried to use below doesn't fly. The behaviour of the US during the Yugoslave/Bosnian/Kosovo issues The US came in because the Europeans had allowed, through their own inaction, a local mess to become so bad they couldn't handle it themselves. The Europeans were very upset to find out their local militaries were incapable of doing much of anything, and perhaps there was a good reason after all for the US's defense budget. If this is the type of thanks the US receives after it was invited in by the Europeans to clean up their own mess in their back yard, then perhaps next time we'll let you go it alone. That would be another one of those "invitations" that were preceded by intense lobbying and pressure. The US was chumping at the bit to have a go at a military intervention and at the time was following a policy of agitating its Allies to take more responsibillity globally (ie spend more money to unburden the US) in implementing what was US policy anyway. I don't see that ANY western european, US or NATO involvement was required at all. It was confined to being a civil war that would most likely have ended in dissolution of Yugoslavia along slightly different (and better borders). It did not threaten neightbouring countries and flows of refugees could be handled by population transfers within the borders of the former Yugoslavia. It was far less bloody than the butcherous American Civil war. What it seems to have boiled down to is an unjustified intervention on vastly exaggerated human rights grounds that was really about appeasing the muslim populations in the Middle East and Turkey for strategic reasons. There are in my opinion more people dead becuase of NATO intervention than without it. |
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"Eunometic" wrote in message om... The US has a history of using islamic based insurgence as a wedge against various European countries. The behaviour of the US during the Yugoslave/Bosnian/Kosovo issues was highly pro-islamic, clearly calculated to win favour in the middle east for the US oil interests Utter tosh The USA was initially reluctant in both cases to get involved and the first country to recognise Bosnian independence was Germany Keith |
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