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"B A R R Y" wrote in message ... Barry (who can definitely see NYC becoming an ADIZ and is very concerned) Like here in London England where it is class A from the surface to god and where its not that class A it from 2500 msl. Making it class A is the same as an ADIZ only tougher - NO VFR. |
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"Larry Dighera" wrote in message ... On Sat, 04 Mar 2006 22:19:53 GMT, "Tom Conner" wrote in t:: Arguing economics as a justification for a GA airport is usually a losing argument once the facts are clear. So, in your opinion, what is a winning argument for justifying the continued existence of the local municipal airport in the face of its poor revenue generating potential compared to a new housing development/mall? You hit the nail on the head. I have racked my brain and I cannot come up with a winning argument that can stand on its own for justifying an airport. Sure a GA airport has some benefits for society and some individuals, but when examined these benefits are on an extremely small micro scale versus the macro scale benefits of a redeveloped airport site. If there was a winning argument then I doubt if we would be constantly having these airport/redevelopment situations. At least there does not appear to be a one-size-fits-all argument. I get the feeling that we are only postponing the inevitable when we fight back a closure. Of course that doesn't mean give up, but it does seem to get harder and harder. The way I see it, eventually, the international airports will be located in the outskirts causing the municipal airports to become gateways to air travel. Unfortunately, if the airport real estate is abandoned to development, in the future that community will lack local access and will be unlikely to find a new local airport venue given the dearth of open space. If the big airports are moved away the little GA only airports will not be the gateway to the bigger airports. A high-speed dedicated rail line to the airport makes more sense in that regard. So it's a matter of shortsighted greed vs long range planning for local transportation infrastructure. |
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when examined these benefits are on an extremely small micro scale versus
the macro scale benefits of a redeveloped airport site. What are the macro scale benefits of a redeveloped airport site? More traffic, more industry, more drain on the water system, more sewage, another mall... pave paradise and put up a parking lot. Granted, an airport is not the same as undeveloped wilderness, but the "benefits" of development (except to the developer) are dubious. Jose -- Money: what you need when you run out of brains. for Email, make the obvious change in the address. |
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In article ,
Jose wrote: but the airports won't be threatened with closure if GA is expanding and healthy. Sure they will. The economic forces are the same - even a healthy GA population at a small airport that is in a developmentally desirable area will not make enough money to fend this off. Granted, healthy GA contributes economically many other ways, but those ways are mostly hidden and indirect, making airports still an easy target. Jose What we also have to remember is that real estate developers represent the biggest political money contributors to state and local elections in the US. As such, they get first ear of the politicians whom they represent. The developers also create "noise sensitive" groups to do their dirty work. We all have to remain vigilant and step on all the plans to "make better use" of our local airport. |
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99% of all the airports we use today date from 1946 or
earlier. Most of those are WWII military training fields. "Orval Fairbairn" wrote in message news | In article , | Jose wrote: | | but the airports won't be threatened with closure if GA is | expanding and healthy. | | Sure they will. The economic forces are the same - even a healthy GA | population at a small airport that is in a developmentally desirable | area will not make enough money to fend this off. Granted, healthy GA | contributes economically many other ways, but those ways are mostly | hidden and indirect, making airports still an easy target. | | Jose | | What we also have to remember is that real estate developers represent | the biggest political money contributors to state and local elections in | the US. As such, they get first ear of the politicians whom they | represent. The developers also create "noise sensitive" groups to do | their dirty work. | | We all have to remain vigilant and step on all the plans to "make better | use" of our local airport. |
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("Jim Macklin" wrote)
99% of all the airports we use today date from 1946 or earlier. Most of those are WWII military training fields. The first part seems plausible, the second part does not. Montblack |
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During WWII there were NO environmental impact statements,
every military based needed auxiliary fields. The Air Corps had one standard airport layout that could be flipped. It was a triangle with buildings and a ramp on one side. These were built all over the mid-west and great plains, many are still in use as they were built, some have abandoned the shorter diagonal runways. Some are in terrible condition and some have had good maintenance. Before WWII paved runways were rare, long runways were rare, long distance airlines used seaplanes because runways were not available world-wide. The USA built airports everywhere during WWII, not just in the USA. Sad fact is that part of our problem today is that there is no local support for those military airports that were often sold to the local city for $1.00. -- James H. Macklin ATP,CFI,A&P -- The people think the Constitution protects their rights; But government sees it as an obstacle to be overcome. some support http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/secondamendment2.htm See http://www.fija.org/ more about your rights and duties. "Montblack" wrote in message ... | ("Jim Macklin" wrote) | 99% of all the airports we use today date from 1946 or earlier. Most of | those are WWII military training fields. | | | The first part seems plausible, the second part does not. | | | Montblack | |
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I make sure EVERYONE that will listen knows that our "little" airport
brings in $5.5 million dollars each year, for an annual investment of just $186,000. I'm not doubting the accuracy of your numbers, but how do you get to that 5.5 million number? http://makeashorterlink.com/?M20125EBC See page 22, Johnson County, "Value Added". It's actually $5.7 million -- and those are FY 2000 figures. -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" |
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I don't know about you folks, but all of my regular GA haunts are
frequented by a pretty decent number of "spectators" outside the fences who enjoy watching airplanes, even if they don't fly. Wanna' get a nice feeling? Watch the reaction of little kids when you wave or salute them as you taxi by. That kid might be a future astronaut because of your silly wave. Yep, that's one of the truly fun parts of flying. We don't get too many "fence wavers" in Iowa City, because of the way the parking lots are so far from the runways and hangars -- but when we DO see them, we always make a point to wave. What I REALLY want to do is shut down, climb out, and see if they want to go for a ride. I've never had the guts to do that -- have you? -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" |
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"Jay Honeck" wrote I make sure EVERYONE that will listen knows that our "little" airport brings in $5.5 million dollars each year, for an annual investment of just $186,000. I'm not doubting the accuracy of your numbers, but how do you get to that 5.5 million number? -- Jim in NC |
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