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What is your opinion of someone who gets a pilot slot in the guard, as opposed to someone who enters active duty infantry or naval forces, in the present day. Smart man! (This comes from one who went through infantry basic at Fort Dix.) all the best -- Dan Ford email: (put Cubdriver in subject line) The Warbird's Forum www.warbirdforum.com The Piper Cub Forum www.pipercubforum.com Viva Bush! weblog www.vivabush.org |
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I believe that is the first time I have heard of the F-102 as a "safe
aircraft"! Were they really? Compared to flying F-105's to Route Package Six, they were very safe when compared to flying an F-102 over Houston. Walt |
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Subject: Bush Flew Fighter Jets During Vietnam
From: (WalterM140) Date: 7/9/2004 3:53 AM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: I believe that is the first time I have heard of the F-102 as a "safe aircraft"! Were they really? Compared to flying F-105's to Route Package Six, they were very safe when compared to flying an F-102 over Houston. Walt There was no flak over Houston. Well hardly any. ((:-)) Arthur Kramer 344th BG 494th BS England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany Visit my WW II B-26 website at: http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer |
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Subject: Bush Flew Fighter Jets During Vietnam
From: Cub Driver Date: 7/9/2004 2:40 AM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: I believe that is the first time I have heard of the F-102 as a "safe aircraft"! Were they really? As Ed Rasimus has said: "Every time you kick the tires and light the fire in a single-engine, single-seat Century Series jet, it can kill you--all by itself without help from an enemy." Yeah right. It's the kicking the tires that will get you every time. Arthur Kramer 344th BG 494th BS England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany Visit my WW II B-26 website at: http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer |
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Subject: Bush Flew Fighter Jets During Vietnam
From: (ArtKramr) Date: 7/9/2004 10:13 AM Eastern Standard Time Message-id: Subject: Bush Flew Fighter Jets During Vietnam From: Cub Driver Date: 7/9/2004 2:40 AM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: I believe that is the first time I have heard of the F-102 as a "safe aircraft"! Were they really? As Ed Rasimus has said: "Every time you kick the tires and light the fire in a single-engine, single-seat Century Series jet, it can kill you--all by itself without help from an enemy." Ya know I really don't know what all the fuss was about here. I graduated from college in 1968 in Arizona. I had always wanted to fly jets so from time to time I applied for the AF Reserves and ANG prior to graduation and once they found I was physically and mentally qualified to go to flight school, as well as an engineer, I was informed they all had immediate vacancies. Ultimately I went through AFROTC and went on to learn how to fly. Probably 5% or so of my graduating class were ANG or AFR - I ended up taking an F-4. Slots coming down to graduates included ADC F101s among other non SEA assignments. I had and have no political pull whatever and I could have just as easily taken an ANG/AFR slot prior to my college graduation so I don't feel Bush hard to try very hard to get an F-102. Even after I finished F-4 in 69 school several of us in my class ended up in northern Japan instead of SEA including one guy who later became a backseat ace after getting a SEA tour in 1972.. So please stop reading more into this than there probably was. Don't just assume that because the guy got an ANG fighter slot and ddn't go to SEA, he only did so because of his connections. Others were in the same boat through no choice of their own. |
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Subject: Bush Flew Fighter Jets During Vietnam
From: (ArtKramr) Date: 7/9/2004 1:06 AM Eastern Daylight Time Message-id: A lot more dangerous over enemy territory than over Texas. Believe me. I have flown over both. What is your opinion of someone who gets a pilot slot in the guard, as opposed to someone who enters active duty infantry or naval forces, in the present day. Ron PA-31T Cheyenne II Maharashtra Weather Modification Program Pune, India I'm too much of a coward for the infantry. I'd rather take my chances in the flak over Germany. I was just wondering if you would still have the same disdain for someone who does it now Ron PA-31T Cheyenne II Maharashtra Weather Modification Program Pune, India |
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On Fri, 09 Jul 2004 10:53:48 +0000, WalterM140 wrote:
I believe that is the first time I have heard of the F-102 as a "safe aircraft"! Were they really? Compared to flying F-105's to Route Package Six, they were very safe when compared to flying an F-102 over Houston. Non-responsive. Absent the folks shooting at you and the fact that Air Intercept is usually a regime thats less hazardous inherently than moving mud, both are equally hazardous. High powered jets will kill you for any number of seemingly minor lapses in concentration, judgement, or luck. And things like "Route Package Six" were part of the problem in Vietnam. Why fergawdsake, set up predictable in/out routes for raids. Apparently this is what happened for a long time. Meant the NVA could set up their SAMs and AAA along those routes and concentrate their fire. IBM __________________________________________________ _____________________________ Posted Via Uncensored-News.Com - Accounts Starting At $6.95 - http://www.uncensored-news.com The Worlds Uncensored News Source |
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And things like "Route Package Six" were part of the problem in
Vietnam. Why fergawdsake, set up predictable in/out routes for raids. Apparently this is what happened for a long time. Meant the NVA could set up their SAMs and AAA along those routes and concentrate their fire. Mosquito bombers en route to Berlin in 44-45 had set approach routes, well known to aircrews and flak gunners alike. The three routes were so well travelled that even the Jerries referred to approaching bogies as "stranger on (train) Platform 3". Anti-Mosquito units were deliberately stationed on top of the three arriving "railroad" routes... Glad to see we learned from that little mistake... v/r Gordon ====(A+C==== USN SAR Its always better to lose -an- engine, not -the- engine. |
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In article , ian maclure
wrote: On Fri, 09 Jul 2004 05:42:01 -0400, Cub Driver wrote: What is your opinion of someone who gets a pilot slot in the guard, as opposed to someone who enters active duty infantry or naval forces, in the present day. Smart man! (This comes from one who went through infantry basic at Fort Dix.) Comes down to liking or not liking being perpetually tired, cold, hungry, and bug bit. Given the choice I think I'd pass on the infantry. And besides active duty implies you may be interested in a career. The Guard fills an important role for those who aren't interested in a career but still want to be a soldier. Being in the Infantry means keeping a pair of wet socks in the refrigerator so that when you finally get home you can put them on and be comfortable. Got the Tee-Shirt, Benning School for Boys, 1968. John |
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Ya know I really don't know what all the fuss was about here. I graduated
from college in 1968 in Arizona. Did you go to Officer Candidates School? Bush 43 did not. Walt |
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