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Gary,
Of course this wasn't combat as no one except the locals were shooting at us when we were in Alaska flying out of Barrow. Sea story time. When RA-5C community set up shop at NAS Albany, GA (ex-Turner AFB) they brought with them a quaint Naval Air tradition unknown to those whose aviation horizons had been limited to the Blue Suit way of life: Night FCLPs. One of my RAN buddies told me that he saw more muzzle flashes over the approach end of the duty runway than during two cruises over Route Pack 6. So you don't need to freeze your cajones off to have your aircraft shot at in North America. -- Mike Kanze 436 Greenbrier Road Half Moon Bay, California 94019-2259 USA 650-726-7890 "When was the last time in world history in which 'suicide' and 'martyrdom' were the code of enlightened action admired by any society?" - Roy Fassel (WALL STREET JOURNAL, 10/27/03) "Gary Watson" cf104@ihate spam.shaw.ca wrote in message news:wkEpb.284805$6C4.114869@pd7tw1no... Old Girls?? Try doing a "must make it" approach into one of our winter wonderland seismic strips on Melville Island NWT (That's just past Resolute Bay for those that don't know the North) with 100 + nuthing in snow using an ****ty DG and a very good set of Eyeballs, or motoring around the Beaufort Sea with ADFs and a very erractic Omega. Of course this wasn't combat as no one except the locals were shooting at us when we were in Alaska flying out of Barrow. (wait a minute isn't that the same thing?) I found a few 30-30 holes in our Aztec so I guess that applies Sum of us old Farts really like using the new stuff after those days GW EX RCAF with 20+ years in the North where men are men and Polar Bears are always hungry [rest snipped] |
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On Mon, 3 Nov 2003 19:22:51 -0800, "Mike Kanze"
wrote: Gary, Of course this wasn't combat as no one except the locals were shooting at us when we were in Alaska flying out of Barrow. Sea story time. When RA-5C community set up shop at NAS Albany, GA (ex-Turner AFB) they brought with them a quaint Naval Air tradition unknown to those whose aviation horizons had been limited to the Blue Suit way of life: Night FCLPs. One of my RAN buddies told me that he saw more muzzle flashes over the approach end of the duty runway than during two cruises over Route Pack 6. So you don't need to freeze your cajones off to have your aircraft shot at in North America. Query: FCLPs? |
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Field
Carrier Landing Practice Bill Kambic If, by any act, error, or omission, I have, intentionally or unintentionally, displayed any breedist, disciplinist, sexist, racist, culturalist, nationalist, regionalist, localist, ageist, lookist, ableist, sizeist, speciesist, intellectualist, socioeconomicist, ethnocentrist, phallocentrist, heteropatriarchalist, or other violation of the rules of political correctness, known or unknown, I am not sorry and I encourage you to get over it. ? |
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Night FCLPs.
Here locally, MCAS Beaufort has it put in the local newspaper when FCLP's are scheduled. They are all back on the deck by put to bed by 2300. Leanne |
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John- Two axis VGI, TACAN and ADF, cockpit lighting by afterthought, single
engine, "interesting" dirty flying qualities. A night in the life I'm glad is far behind me. BRBR C'mon John, didn't ya enjoy being 'lost' everytime ya lost sight of the CV?(Me neither)... I remeber one transit(VF-151, Midway-Maru) where we flew, daytime, complete Ziplip, just to FAGAT, but the F-4 guys had to stay overhead the CV, so not to get lost. Interestingly, the only guy to break ziplip was a A-7 guy who's system crashed... P. C. Chisholm CDR, USN(ret.) Old Phart Phormer Phantom, Turkey, Viper, Scooter and Combat Buckeye Phlyer |
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Mike- We "girls" led more than one little lost lamb of a fighter through the
goo. And gave them gas as well. BRBR Yep, nuthin' better than a KA-6 or KA-7 as pathfinder..But we got to stand up in the RR, puff out of chests, shake our big watches and say how we found the boat following the trail of trash and oil left behind the CV during EMCON recoverys. P. C. Chisholm CDR, USN(ret.) Old Phart Phormer Phantom, Turkey, Viper, Scooter and Combat Buckeye Phlyer |
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I've noticed that the art of looking outside is waning. I'llbet Masher sees
that in the training command now too.--Woody Yep, It is prevelant in the airlines as well. Day severe clear the Pilot flying, (hint not me). Briefs the engine out profile (if any) for the runway in use. Then I quip in "its nice weather outside how about we look outside and not hit anything." pregnet pause... then the other guys says "ya, good idea" Then I say, "I always wanted to do a low flyby of the _______ " fill in the blank for the airport in use. Sparky |
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I'm puffing my chest right now. Been there. Done that. Your point is
valid, Pechs. I've noticed that the art of looking outside is waning. I'll bet Masher sees that in the training command now too. Actually, the trend started in June 1971 when the USN abruptly transitioned from mostly VFR to exclusively IFR. Radial and DME became paramount, not position over the ground. We've made some progress back. I'm sure you can still dimly recall the visual reference points for Area 4 FAM, but sometimes ... One of the questions I ask a stud during his FAM EP brief is what he'll do if he finds himself somewhat lost without any nav aids or comm. The simple logic of reciprocal headings, time and distance, and easily identified landmarks occasionally escapes them. We get the studs to back up their nav with the system where its appropriate. Sometimes that can create overdependence ... but a drifting waypoint can cure that pretty quickly. I try to insure they are presented with scenarios in which the system is useless and also at least one in which its essential. My favorite "graduation present" is a total system dump where they have a peanut gyro, a wet compass, a clock, standby pitot-static instruments and TACAN bearing/range presented as an alpha-numeric ... nordo and about 13 minutes of battery time. A consciousness expanding and character building exercise. R/ John |
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