Harley engine special

jls wrote:

"Barnyard BOb -" wrote in message
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Both these guys are classic extremes of how dumb luck can rule!
Blanton survived in spite of himself while Wittman died because of
himself. - Barnyard BOb -

Not so fast, BoOb. Wittman was around 90 when he died. At the time he
covered his aircraft with polyester fabric and used dope to glue and
finish
it, it was a popular thing to do. - jls
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

GEEZUS!!!!

Perhaps you did not see Dave Hyde's post regarding Wittman....

"AILERON-WING FLUTTER INDUCED BY
SEPARATION AT THE TRAILING EDGE OF AN UNBONDED
PORTION OF WING FABRIC AT AN AILERON WING STATION.
THE DEBONDING OF THE WING FABRIC WAS A RESULT OF
IMPROPER INSTALLATION."

Also...
Steve Wittman Accident

http://www.beginat.com/EAA724/newsltrs/96-02.htm
The February Sport Aviation has a summary of the findings of the NTSB
on the cause of the crash of Steve Wittman's O&O Special last April.
To condense and simplify the article greatly, it appeared that Steve
painted the Poly-Fiber covering to the plywood wing with the nitrate
dope he had used for years with natural fiber wing coverings, instead
of with the approved Poly-Brush.

Poly-Tak is the glue; poly-brush is a weave filler. You're not all that
good with facts, are you?

Neither are you, for that matter.

Go back to the Polyfiber manual...

"Richard Lamb" wrote in message
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jls wrote:

"Barnyard BOb -" wrote in message
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Both these guys are classic extremes of how dumb luck can rule!
Blanton survived in spite of himself while Wittman died because of
himself. - Barnyard BOb -

Not so fast, BoOb. Wittman was around 90 when he died. At the
time he
covered his aircraft with polyester fabric and used dope to glue and
finish
it, it was a popular thing to do. - jls
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

GEEZUS!!!!

Perhaps you did not see Dave Hyde's post regarding Wittman....

"AILERON-WING FLUTTER INDUCED BY
SEPARATION AT THE TRAILING EDGE OF AN UNBONDED
PORTION OF WING FABRIC AT AN AILERON WING STATION.
THE DEBONDING OF THE WING FABRIC WAS A RESULT OF
IMPROPER INSTALLATION."

Also...
Steve Wittman Accident

http://www.beginat.com/EAA724/newsltrs/96-02.htm
The February Sport Aviation has a summary of the findings of the NTSB
on the cause of the crash of Steve Wittman's O&O Special last April.
To condense and simplify the article greatly, it appeared that Steve
painted the Poly-Fiber covering to the plywood wing with the nitrate
dope he had used for years with natural fiber wing coverings, instead
of with the approved Poly-Brush.

Poly-Tak is the glue; poly-brush is a weave filler. You're not all
that
good with facts, are you?

Neither are you, for that matter.

Go back to the Polyfiber manual...

Today I used some Poly-Tak, an aircraft fabric cement, as a structural
adhesive. I don't use Poly-Brush as a structural adhesive, but you're
welcome to for those little flitting 50 mph things you build.

Ben Haas wrote...

Hey BLOb, we are all still waiting for you post some pics of the
homebuilt you bought...

I've seen pictures of at least one he built, and I've
seen him fly an RV-3. You I don't know, but I know
Bob. Agree or disagree with him, at least you know
where you stand. I hope to see him in person this
weekend as well, and I'm looking forward to it.

I, for one am betting there is no plane in your
hanger...

Cash on the line, how much? I'll take your bet, here
and now.

Dave 'eyewitness' Hyde

This has deteriorated into a lower deal than even I thought it would.
If BoB wants to fly behind a Lyc, a Continental or even a real real
aircraft engine-that is a PT-6 or a Screamin' 331 Garrett-hey, it's
his money. This is America. But if he's going to hang out and badmouth
those of us who would rather not we'll just killfile him.

I had no idea what killed Steve Wittman, I never said it was the
engine. It wasn't. He was a wealthy man-he would not have been able to
marry a woman 45 years his junior otherwise, I think-and he loved to
build, he could as easily have bought any GA airplane he wanted.

Dave Blanton had over 50 forced landings in his career and didn't
think they were that big a deal. When he started flying they weren't.
Wittman had as many or more. What's telling is that today, a good many
pilots don't survive their first one, and that's considered as normal.
That bothers me a lot. A mentality that is OK for turbine transports
and tactical jets with ejection seats is not OK for light aircraft.

We're not thinking too clearly here. There are two sensible
mentalities here for single-engine flying- the engine can't quit, or
that it can. The former was a proposition accepted by U-2 pilots over
Russia and the astronauts that flew the Apollo LM (and the CSM as
well-no TEI burn meant they'd die in lunar orbit), but they had
powerplants made to the limit of human endeavor at their respective
times. There is no goddamned way in Hell you can say that about
Lycoming and Continental today. They are admittedly made as cheaply as
the FAA will allow.

The other is, "the engine will quit". Sooner or later it will. So we
build an aircraft with some semblance of crashworthiness and also one
we think, in our best judgment, we-not Yeager or Armstrong or Engle-we
can put somewhere when it quits and walk out. We train with this idea,
maybe we get a sailplane rating, maybe we do like Dave says and
execute a few practice power off landings somewhere isolated and then
do it for real-an idea absolutely abhorrent to any time-building young
CFI. At least we think about it good and hard. Lycomings quit,
Continentals quit, even Pratts and Garretts and GE's and Rolls Royces
quit.

"ET" wrote in message
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Barnyard BOb - wrote in
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Barnyard BOb blahblahblahblahblah --


WOW bet he [Steve Wittman] wished he had a BRS system heh???


--
ET ---- (ducking and running)


Funny you should bring that up. This evening on the 6:30 ABC news, Peter
Jennings' last item was devoted to the ballistic chute. The Cirrus owner
who lost a wing and deployed his chute over Dallas was interviewed, and his
plane shown, "intact" the owner said, in the bushes near a golf course.
Also interviewed was one of the Klapmeiers, a Cirrus designer/engineer. A
high-wing Cessna was shown deploying its chute, as well as a
downward-spiraling ultralight with its wings folded up. Whoever was in the
ultralight would have surely screwed the pooch had the ballistic chute not
opened.

I have a lot of respect for Steve Wittman and feel a little disdain for
someone like the BOob making light of his sad demise. As between Wittman,
for whom the airport, Wittman Field, at Oshkosh is named, and BOob, the
latter will never have poetry written to honor him or go down in history as
a great flier, aircraft innovator. and air racer.

"Richard Lamb" wrote in message
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jls wrote:

"Barnyard BOb -" wrote in message
...


Both these guys are classic extremes of how dumb luck can rule!
Blanton survived in spite of himself while Wittman died because of
himself. - Barnyard BOb -

Not so fast, BoOb. Wittman was around 90 when he died. At the
time he
covered his aircraft with polyester fabric and used dope to glue and
finish
it, it was a popular thing to do. - jls
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

GEEZUS!!!!

Perhaps you did not see Dave Hyde's post regarding Wittman....

"AILERON-WING FLUTTER INDUCED BY
SEPARATION AT THE TRAILING EDGE OF AN UNBONDED
PORTION OF WING FABRIC AT AN AILERON WING STATION.
THE DEBONDING OF THE WING FABRIC WAS A RESULT OF
IMPROPER INSTALLATION."

Also...
Steve Wittman Accident

http://www.beginat.com/EAA724/newsltrs/96-02.htm
The February Sport Aviation has a summary of the findings of the NTSB
on the cause of the crash of Steve Wittman's O&O Special last April.
To condense and simplify the article greatly, it appeared that Steve
painted the Poly-Fiber covering to the plywood wing with the nitrate
dope he had used for years with natural fiber wing coverings, instead
of with the approved Poly-Brush.

Poly-Tak is the glue; poly-brush is a weave filler. You're not all
that
good with facts, are you?

Neither are you, for that matter.

Go back to the Polyfiber manual...

Lest others are misled by you and the BOob:

http://www.polyfiber.com/techquestions/attachingfabric/

" jls" wrote in message
.. .
I have a lot of respect for Steve Wittman and feel a little disdain for
someone like the BOob making light of his sad demise. As between
Wittman,
for whom the airport, Wittman Field, at Oshkosh is named, and BOob, the
latter will never have poetry written to honor him or go down in history
as
a great flier, aircraft innovator. and air racer.


Plonk!

jls wrote:


Today I used some Poly-Tak, an aircraft fabric cement, as a structural
adhesive. I don't use Poly-Brush as a structural adhesive, but you're
welcome to for those little flitting 50 mph things you build.

That's nice.
And you glued eight yards of fabric to a wood skinned wing?
How did that turn out? Real smooth, huh?
Ah, question? How are you going to iron it out?
If the glue releases at 250 degrees,
but the fabric needs 350 degrees to reach working tightness???



My little 75! mph thingies actually fly. Very well, in fact.

It was designed to be built for $5000 US or so, fly like a 'real'
airplane, handle like a dream, and be constructed from raw material
by novices using only hand tools.

But we don't want to over constrain the design, do we!?

(Oh, BTW, this new plane is all Polyfiber from brush to color.
and it is starting to look real nice.

So here is the deal, guy...

If you wish to continue this rant, I'd like to invite you to show
us what _YOU_ have designed, built, and flown.
Ok?

Now, changing subjects abruptly...

Steve Wittman married a woman half his age - not because he was a
wealthy old coot who could afford to keep a kitten -
but because she loved him, and he loved her.

I loved him too.

As for your rant about Big Bad BoB?

Son, you just plain don't know what you are talking about,
and, I fear, are not worth the effort to educate.



-=plonk=-

For exactly the second time in my net history.

Richard Lamb

"Rich S." wrote in response to some other great insights from " jls"

Plonk!

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Are you sure your reaction times are good enough to fly an areoplane?

I did that very thing a couple of months ago! I worry about you! :-)
--
Jim in NC


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"Morgans" wrote in message
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"Rich S." wrote in response to some other great insights from " jls"

Plonk!

?????????????????????????

Are you sure your reaction times are good enough to fly an areoplane?

I did that very thing a couple of months ago! I worry about you! :-)
--
Jim in NC

He changes email, I change computers - the plonks get lost in the melody of
rah. Look at it this way, I get to plonk again and again!

:-}}

Rich "Making music" S.