Follow up Alright, All You Dashing, Swaggering Bush Pilots

On 03 Sep 2003 12:45 AM, pac plyer posted the following:

Most of pac's garbage snipped

If you want to contribute to this thread, then post
something using your Gonads. Corrie has gonads. He will post his
convictions for all to read and lay himself open to attack by guys
like me who don't share his sacred beliefs. You on the other hand,
take cheap shots and have this upper 48 fixation, not knowing that
many of us in the lower 48 have more time flying in Alaska than you do
on the barstool spewing tall tales to people who have actually done
these things.

No thank you, I have no desire to contribute anything of substance to
this useless thread. You and your fellow anonymous coward can continue
to jerk each other off (and probably will) for another month or two for
all I care. If I am feeling bored, I may or may not continue to snipe
at you from time to time.

Del Rawlins-
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Gee...
What a polite way of telling pac to blow it out of his ass. g

P.S.
Knowing good manners is one thing.
Using them is something else.
Don't axe how I know.

Barnyard BOb --

(pac plyer) wrote in message . com...
(Snowbird) wrote
The only thing which makes someone un-anonymous on USENET is being
personally known to the participants in the group or having enough
history/details to be internally consistant that (for example) yes,
this really is Dudley Henrique the Mustang fighter pilot/instructor
mentioned in several books and not some pretender assuming the name.

Identitiy theft is a processcutable crime.

The point stands: using something which looks like a real name does
NOT make someone other than anonymous on USENET. "Building the
Perfect Beast" is less anonymous than "mturner" at this point, because
he has been identified with enough detail to be consistant, by regulars
who know him and he's stated his willingness to identify himself in
email to anyone who identifies themselves sufficiently.

This issue which gets made about "sign your real name" and how "brave"
people who sign their "real name" are vs "anonymous cowards" is just
funny to people who know how USENET works. Especially given some
people's track record of posting under other "real names".

But you pretending to be knowledgable in aviation is not.

You are welcome to post one example, with Google archive references,
of a place where I have pretended to either aviation experience or
to aviation knowledge which I do not, in fact, possess. Or for that
matter to life experience which I do not, in fact, possess.

You can't do so, because I have never presented myself as anything
but what I am or as doing anything I have not done.

Interestingly, the same can not be said of Mr. Phillips. In his
own words all times, permanently archived in Google.

If you don't like my "drivel", take the advice liberally given
to others by so many of the regulars he *don't read it*.

OBTW, the proper social address for someone with an academic
doctorate is "Mr" "Miss" "Ms" or "Mrs". Consult any etiquette book.

When you're responding to me, or a couple others though, you really
let your agenda show.

If my agenda is to child women pilots who pretend to be great aviators
riding around in the right seat with their husbands, then yes, I have
to plead guilty to that agenda.

Interestingly, this is *so* identical to an off-the-wall slam at me
issued by Mr. Phillips years ago.

Truthfully, I'm old enough that I'd kinda like to go back to being
a "child woman". All too soon I'll be flattered to be called "middle
aged". (Where's Stella? Stella? At least you're not mistaken for
your daughter's Grandma!!) It's true that I rode in the right seat with
my husband last weekend -- for the first time in 3.8 years. My insurance
company and my Wings applications for the last 4 years show plenty of
logged time else.

He doesn't need me to solicite respect for him
^
Judging by your posts, you appear to believe that he does. In fact,
"fluffing" for him appears to be your raison d'etre here. Dissing
me in terms curiously identical to those used by Mr. Phillips, and
attempting to draw me into off-topic debate appears to be a strong
secondary agenda. You appear to have a startling lack of independence
or objectivity in your judgement on some matters.

Or maybe not so startling *g*. One theory would account for it
perfectly.

Personally, as the friend of several people who raise cattle, I think
chasing and frightening cattle by plane is the sort of immature and
ill-judged action which gives GA a bad name and a black eye. Even if
the cattle weren't directly injured, cows in calf can miscarry or give
birth prematurely, beef cows lose weight, and milk cows lower milk
production. Either way it's lost money for the farmers/ranchers who
are having hard times already. If Mr. Phillips can't find something
better to do in the air than disrespect personal property and give
harder times to hard working folk like farmers and ranchers, it's my
personal opinion GA would be better served if he stayed on the ground.
Just my personal opinion, mind. It's like people who let their dogs
loose to chase sheep or cattle. Hahahahaha, not so funny for the farmer.

You've already made clear that you think it's just fine.

I now return you to your regularly scheduled agenda.

Toodle-o, "Anonymous Agenda Boy Posting as mturner"
Sydney

snowbird101 master cross breeder of barnyard animals and hound dogs
wrote:

You are welcome to post one example, with Google archive references,
of a place where I have pretended to either aviation experience or
to aviation knowledge which I do not, in fact, possess. Or for that
matter to life experience which I do not, in fact, possess.

Sydney,

Private pilots like you and Del for example do not have adequate
background or experience to be posting opinions about things as
complex as ATC services. Ref: your ongoing harassment for months of
Chip and the other fine controllers that post great stuff over at RAP.
Anyone following those fantastic threads by Chip knows what I am
talking about. The implied sarcasm and skepticism in your posts is
dishonest. You post your name in some of you posts, but you never are
forthright about your rating (singular?) and meager experience. Hell
I'm sure you probably don't even have an instrument rating. If you
do, I bet you haven't seen the inside of a cloud in years (not
counting your last swine wrestling match.) Your tone makes it clear
that you enjoy purporting yourself as some kind of expert in areas you
know nothing about. You simply don't use the ATC system five hours a
working day hence you can't possibly know all the things that are
deficient in the present system. The damage you do to aviation when
you heckle these fine professionals is considerable and others have
pointed this out to you. Now Del thinks I'm checking the FAA data
base to determine how long he's had his license and what ratings he
has. But I don't have to bother, because I can tell a lot about your
background just by the things you post and more by the absence of
material you should be posting if you are more than "a weekend weenie"
as BWB puts it. :-D God he cracks me up. As well, you have no
business trying to run off anybody, especially an experienced pilot
like BWB. Now that I have corresponded with you a little, I see why
the fine Doctor Phillips lost his temper with you.

You can't do so, because I have never presented myself as anything
but what I am or as doing anything I have not done.

Interestingly, the same can not be said of Mr. Phillips. In his
own words all times, permanently archived in Google.

I think you're bitter and your ongoing grudge is petty. Why is it
beneath you to forgive the guy? I still am of the belief that it is
you who should apologize for lecturing such a highly qualified aviator
as he is. BWB is clearly a master of a great variety of flying
machines. You on the other hand "serve whine to go with your cheese"
to pros that are trying to impart knowledge and entertainment to
resonable GA pilots.

pacplyer

Barnyard BOb -- wrote in message . ..
On 03 Sep 2003 12:45 AM, pac plyer posted the following:

Most of pac's garbage snipped

Gee...
What a polite way of telling pac to blow it out of his ass. g

P.S.
Knowing good manners is one thing.
Using them is something else.
Don't axe how I know.

Barnyard BOb --

Dang, Bob's got me by the ear and is dragging me and Del over for a
session with Sister Mary Holysmoke! Just when you set youself up to
break some bonds and "slap the face of God" here comes the Law of Rah.

Now that hurts. :-# By the way Bob, which part was garbage? The
whole thing? Wait a minute... how do I know you're the *real*
Barnyard Bob, and not just someone using his name... hmmmmmm

Isn't it clear to everybody that Barnyard Bob is actually Bill
Phillips? I mean BYB died at a party years ago from BYOB.

Christ, you couldn't write a worse sitcom than Rah. Maybe you
could.... Now that I think about it. Let's see if BYB was Lamont,
that would make BWB Fred G. Sanford, and Snowbird Aunt Ester and Del
Bubba.... but that wouldn't work cuz then I'd have to be Woody....

Moral of the story: don't drink and type diatribes. It always turns
out badly.

pac

(Snowbird) wrote on and on:

OBTW, the proper social address for someone with an academic
doctorate is "Mr" "Miss" "Ms" or "Mrs". Consult any etiquette book.

LOL! :^D Horsefeathers (another farm reference: just to make you
feel at home.) No one uses an etiquette book, Robert's rules of
Order, or any formal essay techniques for that matter on Usenet
anymore. If that were so, I would correct you, and request you
address me as Captain Turner in the future. LOL!

snip hysterical stuff here

He doesn't need me to solicit respect for him
^
Judging by your posts, you appear to believe that he does. In fact,
"fluffing" for him appears to be your raison d'etre here. Dissing
me in terms curiously identical to those used by Mr. Phillips, and
attempting to draw me into off-topic debate appears to be a strong
secondary agenda

Draw you off topic? The subject is religious bush pilots. As usual,
you haven't posted anything to do with the subject. That seems to be
your function around here; arguing about nits and other irrelevant
details. You weren't even involved in this thread until a few days
ago, surfing for possible trolling waters.


Personally, as the friend of several people who raise cattle, I think
chasing and frightening cattle by plane is the sort of immature and
ill-judged action which gives GA a bad name and a black eye. Even if
the cattle weren't directly injured, cows in calf can miscarry or give
birth prematurely, beef cows lose weight, and milk cows lower milk
production. Either way it's lost money for the farmers/ranchers who
are having hard times already. If Mr. Phillips can't find something
better to do in the air than disrespect personal property and give
harder times to hard working folk like farmers and ranchers, it's my
personal opinion GA would be better served if he stayed on the ground.
Just my personal opinion, mind. It's like people who let their dogs
loose to chase sheep or cattle. Hahahahaha, not so funny for the farmer.

You've already made clear that you think it's just fine.


Boy are you gullible. Were you raised in a barn or something? Do you
think BWB really did that after announcing the route of flight he was
on so that one phone call from a farmer would put him in hot water
with the fuzz? It's entertainment, nothing more. You really must be a
pig farmer or something if it upsets you so much. Typical PPL
misconceptions complete with zero sense of humor. Sydney, are you
this much of a wet blanket in person? Lighten up. Tell us a flying
story you're fond of. You can do it. :-)

pacplyer

On 04 Sep 2003 12:04 AM, pac plyer posted the following:

Private pilots like you and Del for example do not have adequate
background or experience to be posting opinions about things as
complex as ATC services.

That is one reason I haven't done so. Also, the places I want to fly,
there is no ATC. It looks like you have some sort of gripe with Sydney
stemming from posts in another newsgroup, and if that is the case I
would appreciate you leaving me out of it.

pointed this out to you. Now Del thinks I'm checking the FAA data
base to determine how long he's had his license and what ratings he
has.

I honestly don't care what you do; I was just making the point that I
haven't misrepresented myself and that my info can be verified if
anybody really wants. The same cannot be said of you. For all anybody
here knows you are just a solo student posing as an airline captain. I
doubt if that is the case, but where do you get off criticizing others
for lack of flying experience when your own has not been established?
Not wanting to post your personal information to usenet is fine, but it
leaves you with zero credibility when you slam those who do. While I do
not agree with everything he has posted here, at least your hero BWB
posts under his own name and is a known quantity to the members of the
group.

I've learned a lot about flying and homebuilts from reading BWB's posts
over the years, along with other members of the group. As a low time
private pilot building his own airplane I believe that some of this
knowledge is vital to my survival and I am thankful to have been exposed
to it. At your claimed level of experience, you would be equally worth
listening to, but I have to disregard your info because I have no way of
judging your veracity. On the other hand, I've personally met at least
one of the regulars here who knows Bill, and can verify that they are
the real deal and worth listening to. One of these years my schedule
will allow me to attend the P-ville flyin and meet some of the rest.
The nice thing about Alaska is the isolation from the 48. Unfortunately,
it is also the bad thing sometimes.

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On 04 Sep 2003 12:46 AM, pac plyer posted the following:

Now that hurts. :-# By the way Bob, which part was garbage? The
whole thing? Wait a minute... how do I know you're the *real*
Barnyard Bob, and not just someone using his name... hmmmmmm

Now why would anybody want to do that? 8^)

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Barnyard BOb -- wrote in message . ..

P.S.
Knowing good manners is one thing.
Using them is something else.
Don't axe how I know.

My darlin' Unk,

We don't have to ask

*smooch*
Sydney

P.S.
Knowing good manners is one thing.
Using them is something else.
Don't axe how I know.

My darlin' Unk,

We don't have to ask

*smooch*
Sydney
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Sho' nuff, but I luv to use the word AXE....
instead of ask, every chance I get.

Why, you might ask?
Well. I look silly with a ball cap turned
around backwards at my tender age.


'smooch' to you too,
Barnyard BOb --

Ploink