Airliner crashes into Hudson River after LGA departure

"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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John wrote in
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On Jan 15, 3:12 pm, Mxsmanic wrote:
Kingfish writes:
Holy smokes! CNN is reporting an airliner went down in the Hudson
after departing LaGuardia. I heard something about birdstrikes, but
can't imagine a double engine failure due to that(?) They sure
picked a cold day to go swimming... Hope everybody is ok...

Bird strikes are a leading cause of engine failure. Jet engines
don't
often
fail all on their own.

Well, according to
http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/gener...y_channel.jsp?
channel=busav&
id=news/eng08036.xml

By the way, the study's authors noted that compressor stalls/surges
account for two-thirds of the engine malfunctions in today's
turbofans. This is a change from earlier generation turbine designs in
which uncontained failures were the principal malfunction. Since
stall/ surge is the primary engine malfunction, one would assume that
it would be a regular item during initial, recurrent or simulator
training. And yet, I cannot recall ever reviewing the matter or being
exposed to a compressor stall/surge during a simulator session.


I have, but only a couple of times and just to run through the
drill.Most checklists just have you retarding the throttle and/or
shutting down anyhow.
Most times nowadays with high bypass fans it trashes the engine straight
away, unlike the old JT8s and such which would fart away happily enough
until you pulled the thrust lever back.


Bertie


Sounds like you, retarded and farting away.

"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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Tech Support wrote in :

Just received the following from a long time very experienced pilot
friend of mine.

His comment about this one flight earned him a life time pay is a good
one.

Quote

Great job by the Air Bus driver. As always, the media passed right on
over what he did that marked him as a REAL pilot :-) After he went
post impact and lost both fans, ATC gave him a clear corridor into
Teterboro. He had scant seconds to make the decision and he made the
right one. He looked at Teterboro, glanced at the altimeter, figured
the angles and did the math. He decided in that nano second that he
couldn't make Teterboro, and THAT decision made his entire salary for
a lifetime career. The rest was just good flying.
You can always count on the media to miss the main point



Well, I thnk that decision got made for him! but yeah, it was all just
stick and rudder from that point on and I'm sure the guy would be the
first
to say he just did what he had to. It'll be an interesting one to read
about, but it's basically the same scenario as deadsticking any airplane.
I think he'd also be the firts to point out that they were extraordinarily
lucky. none of this Is meant to detract in any way from the guy's
achievement, of course, but the media does talk so much BS with this sort
of thing. ..


Bertie

You sound like Mx.

"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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Mxsmanic wrote in
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Kingfish writes:

Holy smokes! CNN is reporting an airliner went down in the Hudson
after departing LaGuardia. I heard something about birdstrikes, but
can't imagine a double engine failure due to that(?) They sure picked
a cold day to go swimming... Hope everybody is ok...

Bird strikes are a leading cause of engine failure. Jet engines don't
often fail all on their own.


You're a moron


Bertie

Just like you.

"Maxwell" #$$9#@%%%.^^^ wrote in :


"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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Mxsmanic wrote in
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Kingfish writes:

Holy smokes! CNN is reporting an airliner went down in the Hudson
after departing LaGuardia. I heard something about birdstrikes, but
can't imagine a double engine failure due to that(?) They sure picked
a cold day to go swimming... Hope everybody is ok...

Bird strikes are a leading cause of engine failure. Jet engines don't
often fail all on their own.


You're a moron


Bertie

Just like you.



Bweawahwhahhw!

Bertie

"Maxwell" #$$9#@%%%.^^^ wrote in
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"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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Tech Support wrote in
:

Just received the following from a long time very experienced pilot
friend of mine.

His comment about this one flight earned him a life time pay is a
good one.

Quote

Great job by the Air Bus driver. As always, the media passed right
on over what he did that marked him as a REAL pilot :-) After he
went post impact and lost both fans, ATC gave him a clear corridor
into Teterboro. He had scant seconds to make the decision and he
made the right one. He looked at Teterboro, glanced at the
altimeter, figured the angles and did the math. He decided in that
nano second that he couldn't make Teterboro, and THAT decision made
his entire salary for a lifetime career. The rest was just good
flying. You can always count on the media to miss the main point



Well, I thnk that decision got made for him! but yeah, it was all
just stick and rudder from that point on and I'm sure the guy would
be the first
to say he just did what he had to. It'll be an interesting one to
read about, but it's basically the same scenario as deadsticking any
airplane. I think he'd also be the firts to point out that they were
extraordinarily lucky. none of this Is meant to detract in any way
from the guy's achievement, of course, but the media does talk so
much BS with this sort of thing. ..


Bertie

You sound like Mx.


To you, Im sure that; sthe case wannabe boi.


Bertie

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"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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John wrote in
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On Jan 15, 3:12 pm, Mxsmanic wrote:
Kingfish writes:
Holy smokes! CNN is reporting an airliner went down in the Hudson
after departing LaGuardia. I heard something about birdstrikes,
but
can't imagine a double engine failure due to that(?) They sure
picked a cold day to go swimming... Hope everybody is ok...

Bird strikes are a leading cause of engine failure. Jet engines
don't
often
fail all on their own.

Well, according to
http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/gener...y_channel.jsp?
channel=busav&
id=news/eng08036.xml

By the way, the study's authors noted that compressor stalls/surges
account for two-thirds of the engine malfunctions in today's
turbofans. This is a change from earlier generation turbine designs
in
which uncontained failures were the principal malfunction. Since
stall/ surge is the primary engine malfunction, one would assume
that
it would be a regular item during initial, recurrent or simulator
training. And yet, I cannot recall ever reviewing the matter or
being
exposed to a compressor stall/surge during a simulator session.


I have, but only a couple of times and just to run through the
drill.Most checklists just have you retarding the throttle and/or
shutting down anyhow.
Most times nowadays with high bypass fans it trashes the engine
straight
away, unlike the old JT8s and such which would fart away happily
enough
until you pulled the thrust lever back.


Bertie


Sounds like you, retarded and farting away.



Awww, maxie make a witty!


Bertie

On Jan 16, 12:59*pm, "Maxwell" #$$9#@%%%.^^^ wrote:
Tech Support wrote in message

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Witness also said gear was down. If true, was bad decision.

Big John

************************************************** ************

I wonder if the gear was still down from take off, and they didn't have time
or power to lift it.

That statement is as idiodic as some things MX says...oh, wait, you
have an "MX" in your sig, too. Go figure, two of the worst trolls have
"MX" in their names.

One of the things that helped him make that decision was that he had
hundreds, if not thousands of "dead stick landings" as a flight instructor,
glider.

Jim
CFIG






He had scant seconds to make the decision and he made the
right one. He looked at Teterboro, glanced at the altimeter, figured
the angles and did the math. He decided in that nano second that he
couldn't make Teterboro, and THAT decision made his entire salary for
a lifetime career.

1 of the passengers said something about seeing birds flying by before
the landing.

"Ricky" wrote in message
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On Jan 16, 12:59 pm, "Maxwell" #$$9#@%%%.^^^ wrote:
Tech Support wrote in message

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Witness also said gear was down. If true, was bad decision.

Big John

************************************************** ************

I wonder if the gear was still down from take off, and they didn't have
time
or power to lift it.

That statement is as idiodic as some things MX says...oh, wait, you
have an "MX" in your sig, too. Go figure, two of the worst trolls have
"MX" in their names.

Oh really, and how do you figure that. Any idea what his altitude was when
**** started happening?