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F.L. Whiteley wrote:
Surprisingly, wear of the uniform was one of the big draws to CAP (according to a survey). My local CAP squadron does scant little, if any, flying. Other squadrons do much better. Explorer Scouting may be an opportunity to organize a youth group with an aviation emphasis. See http://www.learning-for-life.org/exp...ion/index.html Frank Whiteley A survey of teenagers at large? I'd find that real surprising, unless the uniform was a hoodie, baggy pants and an MP3 player (girls or boys). I would imagine very different results if you just surveyed the CAP kids. I think the sport (in the US) would benefit greatly from courting more than the pre-ROTC teens. For most kids a big attraction of soaring might be that its not *uniform*, not the same thing all the other kids are doing. CAP and Scouts offer a straight forward avenue into this population, and I'm all for utilizing it, but I don't think we are best served by acting like a branch of these organizations. Skate parks! That's where we can go to get access to a different crowd of kids. I'll try it if Salida ever gets flight instruction going again. Shawn P.S. Frank, don't they fly the K-21? |
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Jim Kellett wrote:
Most of the Clubs in Region IV - including my own, Skyline - have some kind of youth membershi/involvement with a special membership category/fee structure. One (Tidewater) offers SUBSTANTIAL youth scholarships!!! In addition, there's an active CAP program for youth in gliders, although not every Wing (state) provides instrutcion beyond "Orientation rides". FWIW, the "problem" - at the risk of horrible oversimplification - seems to be a cultural one in which the "boomer" generation (and maybe the younger "boomer echo" generation") is far, far more risk-averse than the generations that currently represent the patriarchs of soaring (like mine - I'm 68 years old.) Frankly, I think this cultural issue is one that we need to get a lot smarter about in soaring if we're to survive . . . but the solution certainly isn't to turn our collective backs on young people, but to figure out how to deliver safe soaring to a short attention span, risk averse population . . . That's a new one on me! The kids that aren't dumpy fat couch potatoes playing Doom III all day are out doing some pretty scary stuff. Watch the X Games on ESPN sometime. A problem soaring has is that kids see all the old guys and figure its a boring old fart sport. Dumb kids! ;-) Shawn |
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"Shawn" wrote in message ... F.L. Whiteley wrote: Surprisingly, wear of the uniform was one of the big draws to CAP (according to a survey). My local CAP squadron does scant little, if any, flying. Other squadrons do much better. Explorer Scouting may be an opportunity to organize a youth group with an aviation emphasis. See http://www.learning-for-life.org/exp...ion/index.html Frank Whiteley A survey of teenagers at large? I'd find that real surprising, unless the uniform was a hoodie, baggy pants and an MP3 player (girls or boys). I would imagine very different results if you just surveyed the CAP kids. I think the sport (in the US) would benefit greatly from courting more than the pre-ROTC teens. For most kids a big attraction of soaring might be that its not *uniform*, not the same thing all the other kids are doing. CAP and Scouts offer a straight forward avenue into this population, and I'm all for utilizing it, but I don't think we are best served by acting like a branch of these organizations. Skate parks! That's where we can go to get access to a different crowd of kids. I'll try it if Salida ever gets flight instruction going again. Shawn P.S. Frank, don't they fly the K-21? Actually, I think the uniform was the adult attraction. There is a class 'b' CAP uniform which consists of the CAP hat, wing T, and shorts. BDU's and Blues are fine, in their place. I agree, there's a lot of baggage to drag to the airfield in CAP and Scouts. Exploring has diverged from Scouting, per se. There's a large soccer organization on a former turf farm a few miles south of our club. It's packed every weekend. I think there must be at least a dozen fields. Frank |
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F.L. Whiteley wrote:
"Shawn" wrote in message ... F.L. Whiteley wrote: Surprisingly, wear of the uniform was one of the big draws to CAP (according to a survey). My local CAP squadron does scant little, if any, flying. Other squadrons do much better. Explorer Scouting may be an opportunity to organize a youth group with an aviation emphasis. See http://www.learning-for-life.org/exp...ion/index.html Frank Whiteley A survey of teenagers at large? I'd find that real surprising, unless the uniform was a hoodie, baggy pants and an MP3 player (girls or boys). I would imagine very different results if you just surveyed the CAP kids. I think the sport (in the US) would benefit greatly from courting more than the pre-ROTC teens. For most kids a big attraction of soaring might be that its not *uniform*, not the same thing all the other kids are doing. CAP and Scouts offer a straight forward avenue into this population, and I'm all for utilizing it, but I don't think we are best served by acting like a branch of these organizations. Skate parks! That's where we can go to get access to a different crowd of kids. I'll try it if Salida ever gets flight instruction going again. Shawn P.S. Frank, don't they fly the K-21? Actually, I think the uniform was the adult attraction. There is a class 'b' CAP uniform which consists of the CAP hat, wing T, and shorts. BDU's and Blues are fine, in their place. I agree, there's a lot of baggage to drag to the airfield in CAP and Scouts. Exploring has diverged from Scouting, per se. There's a large soccer organization on a former turf farm a few miles south of our club. It's packed every weekend. I think there must be at least a dozen fields. Hmm, those soccer moms too. :-) Get them all soaring instead of kicking and you'll open up some nice landable terrain. Shawn |
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The Greater Boston Soaring Club (Northeast US) has a very successful Youth program which won the Civil Air Patrol "Northeast Region Brewer Award for Aerospace Education excellence" award this year. See the club website http://soargbsc.org and click on "Junior Program". Tony V. |
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Another UK perspective.
Our club offers a discounted junior membership to encourage youngsters. The lower limit is about 14/15 - mainly on the basis that if they get to solo standard before they can go solo (16) the frustration may set in and they leave. They are treated just the same as any adult ab-initio and expected to learn how to do all the routine tasks involved in launching a glider (maintaining the log book, fitting cables, helping retrieve etc.etc). Chris Gadsby Ulrich Neumann wrote: Hi all, I need your input on an issue that has led to an ongoing, heated debate ever since my son joined our soaring club at age 14. He begun taking lessons and soloed during a youth soaring camp organized by another club this summer. A small but vocal group of members are stricktly against youth- and family memberships. Kids under 18 are considered a liability, a hazard to themself during the operation and just not desirable members in their minds. All kinds of half-baked legalities are being cited i.e. that the club could get dragged down finacially if a minor would get hurt and a suit be filed by the parents, etc. I can't shake the impression that these guys would like to have a 'good 'ol boy county club with planes'! (Heck, the golf carts are already there!) Therefore my questions: Does your club have a youth/family membership category with reduced dues and/or waived initiation fees? Does your club have a youth program? Have there ever been any legal/insurance issues with minor members in your club? Any input is appreciated. (you may reply privately, if you don't want to discuss this on the net) Ulrich Neumann |
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Therefore my questions: Does your club have a youth/family membership
category with reduced dues and/or waived initiation fees? ... These systems are back in the majority (they were normal in the 1960s when I was a benefiting teenager and fell off in the '80s). My 1998 analysis of SSA Youth membership showed nearly 1/2 of SSA Chapters with 0 Youth Members, 7 USA States with 0, and 1/2 of SSA Regions (3-4 State areas) with under 50... but things have improved (see my SOARING piece, July '04, p. 7). Harris Hill Soaring Corp. has been a persistent good example that DEPENDS on its youth component for daily operations as well as recruiting and legacy. Recent positive resurgences have included Texas SA, SC of Houston, MITSA/GBSC, Tidewater SS,... With SOARING magazine deliberately increasing its coverage of youth events and ideas, the "Milestones" column has more positive examples every month. Your curmudgeons are definitely the exception. See http://acro.harvard.edu/SOARING/books/gb_youth.htm (1994), where I argued that to get youth, you need a youth PROGRAM. See also, for inspiration, www.soarcsa.org/ssa/ssay/ycom.htm www.soarcsa.org/ssa/ssay/sailyth.htm www.greeleynet.com/~jhpc/SSAYouth.ppt John H. Campbell SSA Youth Committee |
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Texas Soaring Association (USA) has a very active and successful Youth
Program. Go to "Item 13. TSA Youth Program" on our home page at: http://www.texassoaring.org/ to see youth qualifications, ect. Bob Kibby "2BK" |
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A survey of teenagers at large? I'd find that real surprising, unless
the uniform was a hoodie, baggy pants and an MP3 player (girls or boys). In the winter, the hoodie is a great idea for me. And I used to wear baggy pants until my ass got so big, now my pants are too tight. Maybe the kids are really smart and just thinking ahead? And I'm expecting an IPOD for my birthday (how do the old farts live without them?) I think all aircraft should have a sound system, with a good mix of rap and country music, installed at the factory. I must say I'm glad not everyone judges youth, or even me, by what I wear or the way I talk or the dangfangled music I listen to. Otherwise, I'd be single and nobody would fly with me. Right, y'all? :PPPP At my club, it seems most of the members understand that the youth are the key to the club. We absolutely love the BBQ and picnic and rides for kids. Yes, some of the youth don't have the focus, single-mindedness, and discipline to shoot through a training program. Same for some adults. The main thing is they are encouraged. And yes, we have family memberships. What clubs don't? Who would want to go somewhere that the family is excluded? As far as 14 being to young to fly a glider, 14 is just a govt. minimum age. There will be some kids who simply aren't mature enough at 14 (or even 17) to avoid damaging a glider or themselves. How this decision is made seems like a question beyond the scope of this newsgroup... There are simply a lot of intangibles. One would hope that the club has a single focus decider (senior CFI perhaps) who is delegated the power to decide yea or nay. If you don't like that, I suppose one must vote with ones feet (go elsewhere). -- ------------+ Mark J. Boyd |
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