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cleared, then busted
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In a previous article, virga said:
http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archive.../148-full.html I guess we shouldn't be surprised, but wow! "Our federal government has put together a set of dysfunctional operating procedures based upon intellectually dishonest assumptions and delivered with a big degree of institutional arrogance," he said. So business as usual, then? -- Paul Tomblin http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/ It's not 'I don't do Windows', it's 'I know nothing about Windows, and it generally explodes when I get near it'. -- Matt McLeod |
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Unbelievable.
What a screwed up mess. -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" |
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"Jay Honeck" wrote in message news:Zdaub.28610$Dw6.140203@attbi_s02... Unbelievable. What a screwed up mess. -- Now you're catching on! |
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"Jay Honeck" wrote in message news:Zdaub.28610$Dw6.140203@attbi_s02... Unbelievable. What a screwed up mess. Are you kidding? It's entirely believable. |
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virga wrote in message ...
http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archive.../148-full.html I guess we shouldn't be surprised, but wow! Well, frankly, I suspect a goodly number of those 600 incursions involve a similar kind of systemic screw up. I've heard, for example, of pilots being instructed to squawk VFR before landing or before actually exiting the ADIZ, then having to account for themselves as an "incursion". Ugh. Sydney |
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Just to give some credit where it's due...
I flew up to Rapid City today and asked approach to vector me as close as they could to Mt. Rushmore. They were very friendly, cautioned me about the restricted area around the monument, and vectored and suggested altitudes to get as close as was reasonably possible without risking getting busted. Did a nice job. (Still not a great view. Really need to land to see the faces well.) Seems that on a one on one basis I usually get excellent service from controllers, but on a buearacratic level, such as the one described in this link, it gets crazy. Michael "virga" wrote in message ... http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archive.../148-full.html I guess we shouldn't be surprised, but wow! |
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"Michael 182" wrote in message news:jGbub.170416$mZ5.1197211@attbi_s54... I flew up to Rapid City today and asked approach to vector me as close as they could to Mt. Rushmore. They were very friendly, cautioned me about the restricted area around the monument, and vectored and suggested altitudes to get as close as was reasonably possible without risking getting busted. Did a nice job. (Still not a great view. Really need to land to see the faces well.) A Restricted Area around Mt. Rushmore? That sounds dangerous to me, and harmful to the monument too. |
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Maybe I'm using the wrong term, but the controller referred to it as
restricted. 700' vertical, 2000' horizontal... What should it be called? "Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message ink.net... "Michael 182" wrote in message news:jGbub.170416$mZ5.1197211@attbi_s54... I flew up to Rapid City today and asked approach to vector me as close as they could to Mt. Rushmore. They were very friendly, cautioned me about the restricted area around the monument, and vectored and suggested altitudes to get as close as was reasonably possible without risking getting busted. Did a nice job. (Still not a great view. Really need to land to see the faces well.) A Restricted Area around Mt. Rushmore? That sounds dangerous to me, and harmful to the monument too. |
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"Michael 182" wrote in message news:_Ybub.174249$9E1.900924@attbi_s52... Maybe I'm using the wrong term, but the controller referred to it as restricted. 700' vertical, 2000' horizontal... What should it be called? Restricted Areas are established for security reasons or to contain hazardous activities, such as bombing and gunnery ranges. Mt. Rushmore is in the Black Elk Wilderness Area, both are charted on the Cheyenne sectional. Non-emergency landings are prohibited in Wilderness Areas, but flight in them is not strictly prohibited. Aircraft are requested to maintain a minimum altitude of 2,000 feet AGL while overflying them. |
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