"V-22 squadron achieves successin Iraq, USMC says"

Ponce wrote:

Colin Campbell wrote:
On Thu, 07 Feb 2008 22:02:45 -0500, Vince wrote:

Colin Campbell wrote:
On Thu, 07 Feb 2008 08:52:26 -0500, Vince wrote:


do you need another block of instruction on logistics?
I got irelevant bull**** claims

Logistics has been a subject of military study since Marius. I've
studied French German and US systems evolved since the 1860s.
I call BS.

If you had studied military logistics you would have noticed when me
and red began making fun of you.

I noticed and ignored you making a fool of yourself

BS

If you had noticed you would have not repeated the same comment we
were laughing at you about.

You said something dumb - then myself and red started making fun of
you by - using standardized logistics terminology that you did not
understand.



In fact every one of your posts did nothing but drive home the point
that you do not have the first clue about logistics.

more personal abuse from the persons with no facts

We gave you lots of facts in the discussion. You were just to dumb to
learn anything.


more abuse without cites or facts or even quotes

I served on PhD examining committees on Military logistics with Mancur
Olsen, Author of "The economics of the Wartime shortage"

your abuse simply confirms your ignorance

Vince

as your posts do yours......

redc1c4,
those that can, do. you can't, so you "serve on a committee". %-)
--
"Enlisted men are stupid, but extremely cunning and sly, and bear
considerable watching."

Army Officer's Guide

Ponce wrote:

La N wrote:
"Colin Campbell" (remove underscore) wrote in
message ...

You said something dumb - then myself and red started making fun of
you by - using standardized logistics terminology that you did not
understand.



Well, Vince, if nothing else, you can bust Colin on very bad grammar ...

- nilita



he does not know the difference between supply and logistics so the case
is closed

Vince

IOW: "i'm wrong so i need a way to save face...."

redc1c4,
you're an immodest man, with much to be modest about. %-)
--
"Enlisted men are stupid, but extremely cunning and sly, and bear
considerable watching."

Army Officer's Guide

Peter Skelton wrote:

On Sat, 09 Feb 2008 16:42:51 GMT, "La N"
wrote:


"Vince" wrote in message
news
La N wrote:
"Colin Campbell" (remove underscore) wrote in
message ...

You said something dumb - then myself and red started making fun of
you by - using standardized logistics terminology that you did not
understand.



Well, Vince, if nothing else, you can bust Colin on very bad grammar ...


- nilita

he does not know the difference between supply and logistics so the case
is closed


Well, it has been an "interesting" debate between 2 people, each of whom has
never been known to admit when they have been wrong ...%)

That is not a fair accusation when aimed at Vince.

Peter Skelton

cite?

redc1c4,
who's seen Ponce be wrong many times, but who's never seen him admit it.
--
"Enlisted men are stupid, but extremely cunning and sly, and bear
considerable watching."

Army Officer's Guide

Colin Campbell wrote:
On Sat, 09 Feb 2008 09:16:35 -0500, Vince wrote:

Colin Campbell wrote:
On Thu, 07 Feb 2008 21:28:54 -0800, redc1c4
wrote:


i've yet to see you defend your claim that all ammunition resupply in Iraq
is transported via air assets. care to cite the message ID where you did that?
i certainly provided several definitive cites showing otherwise.
The most amusing thing was that the claimed to know how ammunition is
moved - but did not even catch on to the term 'Class V.'
OFCS

You are simply adding to the demonstration of ignorance

"Class V" is a question of supply not logistics

ROTFL!

Thank you for demonstrating that you have no clue.

Do you really think that 'classes of supply' and the logistics of
moving them are separate issues?


"logistics of moving them" simply indicates your total ignorance

Logistics is logistics whether you are looking at a roman army or a
Prussian one .

Transport systems are a tiny fraction of the job.


Here is a clue for you (now you can say you have one):

The term 'priority of supply' is part of the logistics annex in an
Operations Order. Each supply category is given a priority and the
highest priorities are the focus of the logistics effort.

supply, not logistics
Logistics decides what supplies you can or should have


Here is another clue for you (now you can claim to have _two_ clues!):

Each class of supply has different movement priorities. For example:
toilet paper (a Class II item) would not be moved by air because it
tends to be a very low priority item.

Class III and V are high cube and mass items that are typically moved
on the ground. However - air movement is always planned for as a
contingency because of its criticality in fighting a battle.


Besides - you have still not explained why we should take your
uninformed opinion as to the effectiveness of the aircraft over that
of the people who actually fly it and maintain it.

For the same reason we ignore horse cavalrymen battleship admirals and
air force lunatics who thought B-17s could defend themselves


I teach the evaluation of expertise and the problem of conflict of
interest. Ipse Dixit just doesn't cut it



Vince

Colin Campbell wrote:
On Sat, 09 Feb 2008 07:27:59 -0500, Vince wrote:


I served on PhD examining committees on Military logistics with Mancur
Olsen, Author of "The economics of the Wartime shortage"

So?

Your posts indicate that you have no understanding of how logistics
are handled in the _real world_.

If you had a clue you would not be providing so much entertainment for
myself and red - who have had to do this for real.


I'm sure you can amuse yourself with very simply toys

Vince

Colin Campbell wrote:
On Sat, 09 Feb 2008 15:14:20 -0500, Vince wrote:


I have often been wrong.

I trusted George Bush that he would not pervert the intelligence
community to take this nation to war.

I was wrong

So you were wrong about Clinton on this same issue also?


No Clinton was wrong the same way

She trusted Bush, to her dying shame

It may cost her the election


Vince

redc1c4 wrote:
Ponce wrote:
La N wrote:
"Colin Campbell" (remove underscore) wrote in
message ...

You said something dumb - then myself and red started making fun of
you by - using standardized logistics terminology that you did not
understand.


Well, Vince, if nothing else, you can bust Colin on very bad grammar ...

- nilita


he does not know the difference between supply and logistics so the case
is closed

Vince

IOW: "i'm wrong so i need a way to save face...."

redc1c4,
you're an immodest man, with much to be modest about. %-)

keep demonstrating your ignorance

Vince

"Vince" wrote in message
. ..
Colin Campbell wrote:
On Sat, 09 Feb 2008 09:16:35 -0500, Vince wrote:

Colin Campbell wrote:
On Thu, 07 Feb 2008 21:28:54 -0800, redc1c4
wrote:


i've yet to see you defend your claim that all ammunition resupply in
Iraq
is transported via air assets. care to cite the message ID where you
did that?
i certainly provided several definitive cites showing otherwise.
The most amusing thing was that the claimed to know how ammunition is
moved - but did not even catch on to the term 'Class V.'
OFCS

You are simply adding to the demonstration of ignorance

"Class V" is a question of supply not logistics

ROTFL!

Thank you for demonstrating that you have no clue. Do you really think
that 'classes of supply' and the logistics of
moving them are separate issues?


"logistics of moving them" simply indicates your total ignorance

Logistics is logistics whether you are looking at a roman army or a
Prussian one .

Transport systems are a tiny fraction of the job.


Here is a clue for you (now you can say you have one):

The term 'priority of supply' is part of the logistics annex in an
Operations Order. Each supply category is given a priority and the
highest priorities are the focus of the logistics effort.

supply, not logistics
Logistics decides what supplies you can or should have


Here is another clue for you (now you can claim to have _two_ clues!):

Each class of supply has different movement priorities. For example:
toilet paper (a Class II item) would not be moved by air because it
tends to be a very low priority item.

Class III and V are high cube and mass items that are typically moved
on the ground. However - air movement is always planned for as a
contingency because of its criticality in fighting a battle. Besides -
you have still not explained why we should take your
uninformed opinion as to the effectiveness of the aircraft over that
of the people who actually fly it and maintain it.

For the same reason we ignore horse cavalrymen battleship admirals and
air force lunatics who thought B-17s could defend themselves


I teach the evaluation of expertise and the problem of conflict of
interest. Ipse Dixit just doesn't cut it


Okay, since now I am interested in military logistics, I decided to look it
up
myself:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logistics

"In military logistics, logistics officers manage how and when to move
resources to the places they are needed. In military science, maintaining
one's supply lines while disrupting those of the enemy is a crucial-some
would say the most crucial-element of military strategy, since an armed
force without resources and transportation is defenseless.

"The defeat of the British in the American War of Independence, and the
defeat of Erwin Rommel in World War II, have been largely attributed to
logistical failure. The historical leaders Hannibal Barca, Alexander the
Great and the Duke of Wellington are considered to have been logistical
geniuses."

And from: http://www.army-technology.com/glossary/logistics.html

"Logistics
Logistics are the area of military operations dealing with the procurement,
distribution, maintenance, and replacement of materiel and personnel."

"La N" wrote in message
news:slsrj.19263$C61.5339@edtnps89...


Okay, since now I am interested in military logistics, I decided to look
it
up
myself:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logistics

"In military logistics, logistics officers manage how and when to move
resources to the places they are needed. In military science, maintaining
one's supply lines while disrupting those of the enemy is a crucial-some
would say the most crucial-element of military strategy, since an armed
force without resources and transportation is defenseless.

"The defeat of the British in the American War of Independence, and the
defeat of Erwin Rommel in World War II, have been largely attributed to
logistical failure. The historical leaders Hannibal Barca, Alexander the
Great and the Duke of Wellington are considered to have been logistical
geniuses."

And from: http://www.army-technology.com/glossary/logistics.html

"Logistics
Logistics are the area of military operations dealing with the
procurement,
distribution, maintenance, and replacement of materiel and personnel."



I sent this before finishing.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...o/supclass.htm

Class V - Ammunition; Subclasses A - Air Delivery; W - Ground.

- nilita

La N wrote:
"Vince" wrote in message
. ..
Colin Campbell wrote:
On Sat, 09 Feb 2008 09:16:35 -0500, Vince wrote:

Colin Campbell wrote:
On Thu, 07 Feb 2008 21:28:54 -0800, redc1c4
wrote:


i've yet to see you defend your claim that all ammunition resupply in
Iraq
is transported via air assets. care to cite the message ID where you
did that?
i certainly provided several definitive cites showing otherwise.
The most amusing thing was that the claimed to know how ammunition is
moved - but did not even catch on to the term 'Class V.'
OFCS

You are simply adding to the demonstration of ignorance

"Class V" is a question of supply not logistics
ROTFL!

Thank you for demonstrating that you have no clue. Do you really think
that 'classes of supply' and the logistics of
moving them are separate issues?

"logistics of moving them" simply indicates your total ignorance

Logistics is logistics whether you are looking at a roman army or a
Prussian one .

Transport systems are a tiny fraction of the job.


Here is a clue for you (now you can say you have one):

The term 'priority of supply' is part of the logistics annex in an
Operations Order. Each supply category is given a priority and the
highest priorities are the focus of the logistics effort.
supply, not logistics
Logistics decides what supplies you can or should have


Here is another clue for you (now you can claim to have _two_ clues!):

Each class of supply has different movement priorities. For example:
toilet paper (a Class II item) would not be moved by air because it
tends to be a very low priority item.

Class III and V are high cube and mass items that are typically moved
on the ground. However - air movement is always planned for as a
contingency because of its criticality in fighting a battle. Besides -
you have still not explained why we should take your
uninformed opinion as to the effectiveness of the aircraft over that
of the people who actually fly it and maintain it.
For the same reason we ignore horse cavalrymen battleship admirals and
air force lunatics who thought B-17s could defend themselves


I teach the evaluation of expertise and the problem of conflict of
interest. Ipse Dixit just doesn't cut it


Okay, since now I am interested in military logistics, I decided to look it
up
myself:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logistics

"In military logistics, logistics officers manage how and when to move
resources to the places they are needed. In military science, maintaining
one's supply lines while disrupting those of the enemy is a crucial-some
would say the most crucial-element of military strategy, since an armed
force without resources and transportation is defenseless.

"The defeat of the British in the American War of Independence, and the
defeat of Erwin Rommel in World War II, have been largely attributed to
logistical failure. The historical leaders Hannibal Barca, Alexander the
Great and the Duke of Wellington are considered to have been logistical
geniuses."

And from: http://www.army-technology.com/glossary/logistics.html

"Logistics
Logistics are the area of military operations dealing with the procurement,
distribution, maintenance, and replacement of materiel and personnel."


right

Buying the V-22 is a logistics decision
What you fill it with on a given run is a supply decision


Vince