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"Matt Barrow" wrote in message ... "Mike Rapoport" wrote in message hlink.net... Jay, this is total BS. The amount raised from the tax on avgas is $60 million annually. It doesn't even begin to pay for flight service stations nevermind airports or anything else. Even AOPA achknowleged this in a recent magazine. If we were to support airports with a gas tax gas would be $7.80...or more... Does the tax on Jet-A and other fees support the airlines usages? Has anyone ever done a complete breakout of costs vs. revenue of the air transport system at all levels? Interestingly, I recall a few articles a few years ago the over-the-road trucks pay roughly half of taxes and fees for the interstate and state highways, but they cause more than 3/4ths of wear-and-tear and damage. When someone else foots the bill, new and more efficient processes and technologies never seem to get implemented as quickly as when we pay our own way (like good, mature adults). One last thing; the current FSS is, IMO, a throwback to the olden days before long distance phones and high speed communications. Every big city doesn't need a FSS, and especially doesn't need several. My take is it's a jobs program for otherwise unemployable controllers ( :~) ) just like most of the "education" system. -- Matt --------------------- Matthew W. Barrow Site-Fill Homes, LLC. Montrose, CO |
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"Jay Honeck" wrote in message news:sp_9e.6987$WI3.4028@attbi_s71... Jay, this is total BS. The amount raised from the tax on avgas is $60 million annually. It doesn't even begin to pay for flight service stations nevermind airports or anything else. Even AOPA achknowleged this in a recent magazine. If we were to support airports with a gas tax gas would be $7.80...or more... Allow me to re-phrase that more precisely. In Iowa, if the Iowa legislature didn't keep spending all of the tax money brought in by aviation on things other than aviation, we wouldn't be scraping for money to repave our ramp. We would have ample money in the coffers to properly maintain our airport(s). Hell, during a recent "budget crisis" year (aren't they all?), they eliminated ALL spending on aviation in the state. But they sure didn't cut any taxes. While the states should keep their promises, aviation would still be subsidized. Aviation has a very small number of participants exclusively using a large amount of infrastructure. I am not saying that this subsidy is good or bad but I am merely asserting that it exists. Mike MU-2 |
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"Morgans" wrote in message news "Jay Honeck" wrote Sorry, Martin. Here's more bad news for Europe and Austria: From AOPA's member news area: "And with that, Dries dropped a bomb. Diamond, he said, is establishing what it calls the Diamond China Project, a new manufacturing facility that will be built "about 300 kilometers east of Beijing." Site construction began one month ago, and it will be twice the size of Diamond's Austrian facility - and capable of employing 1,700 employees and building 600 aircraft a year. Eventually, all propeller-driven Diamond aircraft will be built at the Chinese plant, starting with DA40s. The first DA40 will roll out the so-called "Aviation City" factory doors by year-end." Good Lord help us all! I suppose they will be made with China steel. That is the softest, inconsistent crap have ever seen, let alone all the other made in China crap. -- Jim in NC Get used to it, China is the up and coming manufacturing world power. They will do what Japan did in the '60s and '70s at a scale that will make what Japan did look like childs play. |
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"MR" == Mike Rapoport writes:
MR While the states should keep their promises, aviation would MR still be subsidized. Aviation has a very small number of MR participants exclusively using a large amount of MR infrastructure. I am not saying that this subsidy is good or MR bad but I am merely asserting that it exists. The subsidy surely does exist, and it's huge. As I recall from discussions about our local airport: - The FAA, from the Federal Airport Improvement Program, will pay 90% of the costs for airport improvement (runway widening or extension or resurfacing, taxiways, aprons, and so forth). There's no way that the Feds' AIP is paid completely by aviation related taxes. - The remaining 10% must come from local or state. Here in California there is a state airport department (part of the state DOT), and sure enough the funds they collect get stolen most years to the General Fund. But at most they would pay for 10%. - Then the airport owner is usually required to kick in 1% to 2% so the state doesn't pay the full 10%. In our case the Univ. of California owns our airport, and they get airport money not from taxes, but from hangar rentals and gasoline sales. I don't know whether the airport is a source or sink of money for the UC. GA is highly subsidized in the US, and like Mike I won't comment further if that's good or bad. |
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"Jay Honeck" wrote Now you've done it, Jim, you racist pig. How DARE you launch a wholesale assault on another culture? Chuckle ;-) Hey, I wonder how many years (months?) it will be before GA in China over-takes what's left of GA in France? ducking! You better! g Seriously, though, at least France has some degree of personal freedom left. The pity is, China is giving us (the US) exzacary what they want. Cheap, at all costs. I hope we wake up, before it is too late, and we have no manufacturing and quality in the US, but I fear we will not. I hope the consensus standards board, or if the Symphony (or any other made in China airplanes) are to be certified, I hope they tear it apart stem to stern, and check every part for hardness, fatigue, and any other test they can think of. I can only imagine airplanes falling from the sky, just like the public thinks is going to happen. One thing for certain; I will not be flying in a made in China airplane. I wonder how many others feel the same way. -- Jim in NC |
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"Dave Stadt" wrote Get used to it, China is the up and coming manufacturing world power. They will do what Japan did in the '60s and '70s at a scale that will make what Japan did look like childs play. I know, but I DON'T HAVE TO LIKE IT. I CERTAINLY don't have to buy it. Is this same thing happening in Europe? How many years will it be until China's quality comes up, like Japan finally did? -- Jim in NC |
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"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:J4O9e.5871$c24.1511@attbi_s72... We do, indeed, have the most dunderheaded legal system ever devised by man. Yes, but are you willing to admit that makes YOU a dunderhead? That is, will you agree with the French who express their disbelief that people so dunderheaded ever spawned men like Thomas Jefferson and John Adams? |
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Jay Honeck wrote:
You admit that predatory taxation has added 25% to the cost of GA in France (which is a gross under-estimation, BTW) On what "knowledge" is your statement based? Mine is based on calculation. -- and in the same breath say that it has NO impact on it? Please be accurate. I said that is has no impact on the number of private pilots. Each of those pilots will probably fly fewer hours per year, though, because private pilots tend to fly on a budget. That is the most absurd assertion I've seen in Usenet Maybe, but it is based on a thorough knowledge of the local scene, while your statements are based on nothing else than prejudice from thousands of miles away. (BTW: Wasn't Blix' statement that the Iraq didn't have WMDs the most absurd assertion, too? Sorry, couldn't resist, but I see a pattern.) Stefan |
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Dave Stadt wrote:
Get used to it, China is the up and coming manufacturing world power. They will do what Japan did in the '60s and '70s at a scale that will make what Japan did look like childs play. Yes, but they also will likely suffer the same fate as Japan when their costs catch up to the rest of the world. Matt |
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Morgans wrote:
"Dave Stadt" wrote Get used to it, China is the up and coming manufacturing world power. They will do what Japan did in the '60s and '70s at a scale that will make what Japan did look like childs play. I know, but I DON'T HAVE TO LIKE IT. I CERTAINLY don't have to buy it. Is this same thing happening in Europe? How many years will it be until China's quality comes up, like Japan finally did? I'm estimating 3-5 years. Matt |
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