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Mxsmanic wrote:
Dudley Henriques writes: Sorry, this is incorrect. It's instruction 101 for the instructor to evaluate and ascertain the personality of the student as the student's personality will interface with their flying. If this is done correctly, the student's "personality" is molded and/or changed as necessary to develop into what is needed to have the student do exactly as you have said they need to do after leaving the instructor; continuing the learning process. That process exists for the "pilot" all through their careers in aviation. On the other hand, if the instructor fails to instill whatever "personality" change is needed during the time of exposure with the student, the student will become the "driver" we are discussing. Either way, the responsibility lies with the instructor. The student is the workpiece the instructor must complete. If that were really true, then every student of a good instructor would become a good pilot. Unfortunately, it doesn't work that way. It most certainly does work this way. If the student doesn't graduate a good pilot, the instructor has failed. Therefore the instructor by definition isn't the good instructor in your example. -- Dudley Henriques |
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Jim Logajan wrote:
Dudley Henriques wrote: You're right. We can't have aviation talk on this forum. Something will have to be done :-)) That "personality change" is nothing more than the instilling in a student of the proper habit patterns necessary to develop further into an "attitude" about flying that will be conducive to the continuing learning curve that must exist in a "pilot", but can be found to be missing in an airplane "driver" as they say. The development of this state of mind in a pilot is the direct responsibility of the CFI and should be considered job one for the instructor. Ah - that makes sense. For a minute there I was afraid you were advocating that my CFI should nag me to become a more caring person, worry about _her_ needs for once, that I should enjoy gardening, pay more attention to what she is saying, and that sort of thing. ;-) (Okay - I DO pay attention to what she is saying. I was just telling her the other day right after we landed that she _doesn't_ nag me enough! She said she doesn't nag once it is clear a student knows what they should be doing. I'm quite the self-nagger.) She sounds like she knows what she's doing. I've noticed over time that there seems to be a virtual TON of female CFI's out here today as opposed to my era. It's good to see the girls doing the job. -- Dudley Henriques |
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Mxsmanic wrote:
writes: You sure are fixated on "risk". Proper assessment of risk has kept me alive and safe for many years. Aren't you supposed to weigh risk with the corresponding personal value or benefit of any particular action? |
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Mxsmanic wrote:
Dudley Henriques writes: Then Usenet is your best bet. Many people find it difficult to have their input moderated. You are simply expressing a preference to which you are entitled. Most people tolerate moderation very poorly, but they love to see other people with whom they disagree being silenced. Many people will choose a venue in which they know that the allowed opinions match their own; that way anyone who disagrees with them will be "moderated," and those who agree with them will be left unmolested. The problem is that many discussion venues stagnate, since nobody is willing to discuss anything on which there might be a difference of opinion. The only things people will discuss are the things about which they all agree already. It gets pretty boring after a while. The group rec.food.recipes has been moderated, healthy and around for about a quarter century now. Most moderated groups don't disallow disagreement, they just don't allow posting 486 lines of old posting just to add a one word comment or rebuttles to postings with content free ad hominems. Most moderated groups would eventually ban you not because of the content of your posts at first, but because your posts are normally carefully crafted to **** people off and be disruptive in the long run. -- Jim Pennino Remove .spam.sux to reply. |
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Mxsmanic wrote:
In reality, a lot of people are wise enough to not get into any type of physical altercation, so you can almost say anything you want with impunity. But many males can be goaded into physical violence with words alone, if the words are well chosen. And some jump immediately into violence with any words at all. Women are more level-headed, as a rule. I see you have little experience with real women. -- Jim Pennino |
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Mxsmanic wrote:
writes: You sure are fixated on "risk". Proper assessment of risk has kept me alive and safe for many years. You sure are fixated on "safe". -- Jim Pennino Remove .spam.sux to reply. |
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Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
BTW, you shouldn't be talking to me. You get on the lits, vol 6 Once in a while, when you aren't quoting 4,891 lines of old text to add a one word retort, you can be interesting. -- Jim Pennino Remove .spam.sux to reply. |
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Actually the other reason Anthony wouldn't make it on a moderated board is
that Pilots of America (for example) is geared toward pilots (these people, by definition, are people who actually fly airplanes). Of course, Anthony's rationale, like always, is specious- he simply doesn't fly and has nothing to contribute. |
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Mxsmanic wrote:
Dudley Henriques writes: Then Usenet is your best bet. Many people find it difficult to have their input moderated. You are simply expressing a preference to which you are entitled. Most people tolerate moderation very poorly, but they love to see other people with whom they disagree being silenced. Many people will choose a venue in which they know that the allowed opinions match their own; that way anyone who disagrees with them will be "moderated," and those who agree with them will be left unmolested. The problem is that many discussion venues stagnate, since nobody is willing to discuss anything on which there might be a difference of opinion. The only things people will discuss are the things about which they all agree already. It gets pretty boring after a while. Not for me. For example, I've been involved directly with flight instruction in one way or another for over 50 years. I'll discuss the subject with you as I am doing now on another posting. I tolorate you "telling me" instead of asking me about a subject in which I have expertise and you have never been involved in. I won't attack your opposing views even though you present them to me as statements instead of questions. I'll do this as long as I feel the discussion is respectful and on topic. If I determine, after several exchanges of direct opposing opinion that we are in total disagreement on something, instead of attacking you directly, I'll allow you your opinion and simply disengage. You are entitled to both your opinion AND your right to disagree, even though you are not a flight instructor. I try to do this with everyone who approaches me with respect. I save the GFY posts for those who deviate from this criteria. -- Dudley Henriques |
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