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JJ Sinclair wrote:
Well, Kirk, the first poster said the pilot was finishing. He also said the pilot was arrested, why? Because he committed a homicide. That's right he was responsible for the death of an innocent bystander. No. This wasn't an "innocent bystander". This was a well informed insider, who knew exactly what he was doing and deliberately decided to take the well known risk. Every accident is a very sad thing, of course, but the truth is the truth. Stefan |
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On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 11:36:49 +0200, Stefan
wrote: JJ Sinclair wrote: Well, Kirk, the first poster said the pilot was finishing. He also said the pilot was arrested, why? Because he committed a homicide. That's right he was responsible for the death of an innocent bystander. No. This wasn't an "innocent bystander". This was a well informed insider, who knew exactly what he was doing and deliberately decided to take the well known risk. Part of the official BGA statement: "a collision between a glider and a man, adjacent to Husbands Bosworth airfield" Adjacent means outside the perimeter of the airfield... Every accident is a very sad thing, of course, but the truth is the truth. You mean perception is reality? |
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On Wed, 10 Aug 2005 13:20:54 UTC, John Sinclair
wrote: : There is a better way (GPS) : : Time to stop living in the past. I have never been able to see how beat ups and competition finishes squared up with Article 5 of the ANO, myself. Ian -- |
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What a tragedy.
Neil was THE world best gliding photographer. Condolenses to his family and friends. Whilst I never met Neil personally we used to talk online frequently discussing gliding and photography. A truely sad day. Al |
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Aldo & Everyone,
While competing at last year's Club Class Worlds in Norway, both Susan and I got to meet and start to get to know Neil a little bit. Beyond his terrific skills as an aviation photographer, he was just a "good bloke" - as the Brits say. He always had a certain "twinkle" in his eyes whether for the next great photo or the next great party. So raise a pint for Neil and let's make sure his photos and his memory do not soon die. Tim McAllister "EY" P.S. That was Neil's cover shot on the November 2004 "Soaring" of me flying a low and fast finish in a Libelle at World's in Norway. I will treasure that shot forever... 2cernauta2 wrote: Dear All, I hear from my Italian friends at the Junior's WGCs that the famous soaring photographer Neil Lawson has died yesterday. He was standing on the roof of his car, to get better pictures of the finishing gliders. One of those gliders caught him. The pilot involved is a British team mate, Ian Craigie. He has been arrested. Very sad news for the whole gliding world, for his friends and relatives. He will be missed Aldo Cernezzi |
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Hi,
That is extremely sad news. Having taken a few soaring photos myself I have long been very impressed with the high quality of is photos as seen in many Soaring and Sailplane & Gliding magazines and on his web site. http://www.whiteplanes.com/ At a contest a few years ago a few pilots did high-speed, low altitude finishes. I was shooting them through a long lens. It was difficult to judge distance between us while looking through the lens. My heartfelt sympathy and prayers to Neil's friends and family and the glider pilot. Paul Remde "2cernauta2" wrote in message ... Dear All, I hear from my Italian friends at the Junior's WGCs that the famous soaring photographer Neil Lawson has died yesterday. He was standing on the roof of his car, to get better pictures of the finishing gliders. One of those gliders caught him. The pilot involved is a British team mate, Ian Craigie. He has been arrested. Very sad news for the whole gliding world, for his friends and relatives. He will be missed Aldo Cernezzi |
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From what I was told he was behind a hedge and stood up on top of his
vehicle just as the glider came over the hedge. We have a minimum finish safety height of 500ft unless you declare a straight in and a beer can finish radius. As a avid photographer and pilot I have sympathy for all evolved. Hanging around aircraft is dangerous enough ! The added danger of distorted vision depth perception when looking through a view finder and eye focus adjustment as we have been shown can result in your death. There are more than 14000 images @ http://www.whiteplanes.com/ RIP Neil Lawson Mal "Paul Remde" wrote in message news:_3vKe.239714$_o.116348@attbi_s71... Hi, That is extremely sad news. Having taken a few soaring photos myself I have long been very impressed with the high quality of is photos as seen in many Soaring and Sailplane & Gliding magazines and on his web site. http://www.whiteplanes.com/ At a contest a few years ago a few pilots did high-speed, low altitude finishes. I was shooting them through a long lens. It was difficult to judge distance between us while looking through the lens. My heartfelt sympathy and prayers to Neil's friends and family and the glider pilot. Paul Remde "2cernauta2" wrote in message ... Dear All, I hear from my Italian friends at the Junior's WGCs that the famous soaring photographer Neil Lawson has died yesterday. He was standing on the roof of his car, to get better pictures of the finishing gliders. One of those gliders caught him. The pilot involved is a British team mate, Ian Craigie. He has been arrested. Very sad news for the whole gliding world, for his friends and relatives. He will be missed Aldo Cernezzi |
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Crazy idea: how about putting a whistle on the gear
door so when the gear is down it whistles through the air? Also works as a gear indicator. I dunno, maybe not a great idea, but something. Hmmm...I think about this because in the past year I had two incidents. One was a person taking photos just on the edge of a runway, enough so I had to move to within a foot of the fence on the right to avoid him. I was in quite a predicament-I could avoid hitting him and risk injuring myself and a passenger, or hit him. I avoided him and then had to intentionally ground loop to avoid ANOTHER pedestrian I had been channeled in towards. I was too fast to stop safely before him, and too slow to have excellent rudder control. After the incident I chewed on him, and then myself. He agreed to not take pictures anywhere near me again. I shuddered and promised to scan the runway better from the back seat and not taxi all the way to the takeoff spot. A while later a reporter was covering an event. One of the glass gliders caught a wingtip on takeoff and ground looped, with the wing slicing past within three feet. I was hiding (safely)behind a Ford truck behind her during the whole event. Not the best view, but I'm a bit chicken. Not very gallant. She asked me if I thought soaring was dangerous... I didn't tell her this, but I thought: A glider can be a silent scythe of death. It doesn't have the very loud warning that its piston brothers has. It is the bitterest irony when those threatened or injured or killed are the same people who are the most valuable to our sport. I'm sorry to hear of this tragedy. I hope we can avoid this in the future. I don't have a pat answer, but I hope glider pilots reading this will discuss this incident at their gliderports. At 02:30 11 August 2005, Bruce Hoult wrote: In article , 'JJ Sinclair' wrote: You really don't want to argue that the pilot wasn't operating his aircraft below 500 feet (not in the act of landing) and that he wasn't within 500 feet of a person, do you? I really don't think you could argue that a touch-and-go or missed approach to a runway or airfield in active use means that you are 'not in the act of landing'. -- Bruce | 41.1670S | \ spoken | -+- Hoult | 174.8263E | /\ here. | ----------O---------- Mark J. Boyd |
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In article ,
M B wrote: Crazy idea: how about putting a whistle on the gear door so when the gear is down it whistles through the air? Also works as a gear indicator. I dunno, maybe not a great idea, but something. As you sugesting that he didn't know the glider was there? Becuase if not then that suggestion is pretty irelevant to this tragedy. I don't think you get pics such as the following by not knowing that the glider is the http://www.whiteplanes.com/gliders/gliders23.htm -- Bruce | 41.1670S | \ spoken | -+- Hoult | 174.8263E | /\ here. | ----------O---------- |
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JJ, You are clearly a total moron. I emailed you personally
about this subject, yet you persist in your irresponsible, innaccurate, and sensationalist cr@p. You have no idea what you are talking about. Do us all a favour and shut up. At 01:54 11 August 2005, Jj Sinclair wrote: Well, Kirk, the first poster said the pilot was finishing. He also said the pilot was arrested, why? Because he committed a homicide. That's right he was responsible for the death of an innocent bystander. This tragic loss of life occured because the junior pilot was performing the prescribed finish maneuver. He was flying the finish gate because that's what we do, we sanction it, its in our rules. The local authoraties did their job, they arrested the guy responsible and the competition was suspended. How many more finish gate accidents must we endure before this outmoded, unneccessary and proven unsafe finish gate is abolished and replaced by the mandatory GPS finish cylinder? You really don't want to argue that the pilot wasn't operating his aircraft below 500 feet (not in the act of landing) and that he wasn't within 500 feet of a person, do you? JJ Sinclair wrote: Condolences to all affected by this tragedy. But, JJ, tell me how a correctly performed contest finish at 50 ft (per current SRA rules) and per FARs (no overflying of people, man-made objects, reckless, etc) has direct relevance with this accident? By your logic, takeoffs should be done away with (ref groundloop that hit and injured spectator at Tonopah) at contests, too. And how do you know it was a finish - it could have been a pre-arranged photo op after the finish, coordinated between the photographer and the pilot - that went horribly wrong. Not the first time that has happened. Sorry, you are on the wrong soapbox this time. Take a deep breath and go fix a glider or something. Kirk 66 |
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