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Maxie begins a new kook-out.were.... Airliner crashes into Hudson River after LGA departure
ah wrote in
anews.com: Bertie the Bunyip wrote: ah wrote in news:49728b5c$0$57670 : Bertie the Bunyip wrote: "Maxwell" #$$9#@%%%.^^^ wrote in news:%Focl.29929$H12.18354 @newsfe12.iad: "Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message ... John wrote in news:32b8ee0b-1587-4404-a9f3-e33d06d50c51 @u18g2000pro.googlegroups.com: On Jan 15, 3:12 pm, Mxsmanic wrote: Kingfish writes: Holy smokes! CNN is reporting an airliner went down in the Hudson after departing LaGuardia. I heard something about birdstrikes, but can't imagine a double engine failure due to that(?) They sure picked a cold day to go swimming... Hope everybody is ok... Bird strikes are a leading cause of engine failure. Jet engines don't often fail all on their own. Well, according to http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/gener...y_channel.jsp? channel=busav& id=news/eng08036.xml By the way, the study's authors noted that compressor stalls/surges account for two-thirds of the engine malfunctions in today's turbofans. This is a change from earlier generation turbine designs in which uncontained failures were the principal malfunction. Since stall/ surge is the primary engine malfunction, one would assume that it would be a regular item during initial, recurrent or simulator training. And yet, I cannot recall ever reviewing the matter or being exposed to a compressor stall/surge during a simulator session. I have, but only a couple of times and just to run through the drill.Most checklists just have you retarding the throttle and/or shutting down anyhow. Most times nowadays with high bypass fans it trashes the engine straight away, unlike the old JT8s and such which would fart away happily enough until you pulled the thrust lever back. Bertie Sounds like you, retarded and farting away. Awww, maxie make a witty! ROLF! Tie me kangaroo down, sport. What-ho, Squiffy? uh wwuh uh wwuh uh whiggga whigga whuh.. Bertie |
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Maxie begins a new kook-out.were.... Airliner crashes into Hudson River after LGA departure
Bertie the Bunyip pinched out a steaming pile
: ah wrote in tanews.com: Bertie the Bunyip wrote: ah wrote in news:49728b5c$0$57670 : Bertie the Bunyip wrote: "Maxwell" #$$9#@%%%.^^^ wrote in news:%Focl.29929$H12.18354 @newsfe12.iad: "Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message ... John wrote in news:32b8ee0b-1587-4404-a9f3-e33d06d50c51 @u18g2000pro.googlegroups.com: On Jan 15, 3:12 pm, Mxsmanic wrote: Kingfish writes: Holy smokes! CNN is reporting an airliner went down in the Hudson after departing LaGuardia. I heard something about birdstrikes, but can't imagine a double engine failure due to that(?) They sure picked a cold day to go swimming... Hope everybody is ok... Bird strikes are a leading cause of engine failure. Jet engines don't often fail all on their own. Well, according to http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/gener...y_channel.jsp? channel=busav& id=news/eng08036.xml By the way, the study's authors noted that compressor stalls/surges account for two-thirds of the engine malfunctions in today's turbofans. This is a change from earlier generation turbine designs in which uncontained failures were the principal malfunction. Since stall/ surge is the primary engine malfunction, one would assume that it would be a regular item during initial, recurrent or simulator training. And yet, I cannot recall ever reviewing the matter or being exposed to a compressor stall/surge during a simulator session. I have, but only a couple of times and just to run through the drill.Most checklists just have you retarding the throttle and/or shutting down anyhow. Most times nowadays with high bypass fans it trashes the engine straight away, unlike the old JT8s and such which would fart away happily enough until you pulled the thrust lever back. Bertie Sounds like you, retarded and farting away. Awww, maxie make a witty! ROLF! Tie me kangaroo down, sport. What-ho, Squiffy? uh wwuh uh wwuh uh whiggga whigga whuh.. I propose a technological solution to the problem of bird strikes: turboprops. Lets return to the good old days pre-jet engines. Discuss. -- http://www.bds-palestine.net/?q=node/9 ___ ___ ___ ___ /\__\ /\ \ /\ \ /\ \ /:/ _/_ \:\ \ \:\ \ \:\ \ /:/ /\ \ \:\ \ \:\ \ \:\ \ /:/ /::\ \ _____\:\ \ ___ \:\ \ ___ /::\ \ /:/_/:/\:\__\ /::::::::\__\ /\ \ \:\__\ /\ /:/\:\__\ \:\/:/ /:/ / \:\~~\~~\/__/ \:\ \ /:/ / \:\/:/ \/__/ \::/ /:/ / \:\ \ \:\ /:/ / \::/__/ \/_/:/ / \:\ \ \:\/:/ / \:\ \ /:/ / \:\__\ \::/ / \:\__\ |
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Turboprops
I flew into somewhere in SD in a Mesaba Saab 340. The flight before had a
bird strike on the windshield (goose), that broke off the windshield wiper. The wiper blade then hit the prop, which flung the broken blade through the side of the fuselage, impaling itself in the thigh of one of the pax. He had to go to the operating room for some sort of surgery, but I do not think it broke his femur. Talk about bad luck. They flew in a new prop the next day, and there was some speed tape on the side of the fuselage. I've always wondered if the pax got to ride free on NWA for the rest of his life. |
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Turboprops
"Viperdoc" wrote in
: I flew into somewhere in SD in a Mesaba Saab 340. The flight before had a bird strike on the windshield (goose), that broke off the windshield wiper. The wiper blade then hit the prop, which flung the broken blade through the side of the fuselage, impaling itself in the thigh of one of the pax. He had to go to the operating room for some sort of surgery, but I do not think it broke his femur. Talk about bad luck. They flew in a new prop the next day, and there was some speed tape on the side of the fuselage. yipes. An airplane I uswed to fly had a wiper come loose and go right through the engine, trashing it, but that is bad luck. BTW, thehole in the fuse had to have had more than speed tape over it unless thye were ferrying it unpressurised! I've always wondered if the pax got to ride free on NWA for the rest of his life. Hehe He'd have been lucky to get a taxi ride to the hospital for free! They'd prolly refuse to give him anything to avoid being seen as shoudergin any blame whatsoever, I'd a thought. Bertie |
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Airliner crashes into Hudson River after LGA departure
"RST Engineering" wrote in message news They established that two days ago. Jim -- "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." --Aristotle Well don't tell me, tell Big John. He's the one that supposed it was down. |
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Airliner crashes into Hudson River after LGA departure
"Ricky" wrote in message ... On Jan 17, 2:17 pm, "Maxwell" #$$9#@%%%.^^^ wrote: I wonder if the gear was still down from take off, and they didn't have time or power to lift it. That statement is as idiodic as some things MX says...oh, wait, you have an "MX" in your sig, too. Go figure, two of the worst trolls have "MX" in their names. Oh really, and how do you figure that. From the photo of the plane as it approached the river and the fact that he was above 3,000 ft, when the birdstrike occured. I know your aviation knowlege is practically nil, but an airline usually retracts their gear by then, just so you know. Any idea what his altitude was when sh** started happening? About 3,400 ft, according to http://www4.passur.com/lga.html. Any more stupid questions, MX? Ricky ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yeah dicky, why are you arguing with statements made two days ago, and based on nothing but speculation? |
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Airliner crashes into Hudson River after LGA departure
"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message ... "RST Engineering" wrote in m: One of the things that helped him make that decision was that he had hundreds, if not thousands of "dead stick landings" as a flight instructor, glider. Jim CFIG Well, I wouldn't say there was much of a decision to be made, myself. no thrust and all that. Glider instructor woudl have helped him control the airplane OK. Well you wouldn't say a lot of things, if they didn't serve to primp your own ego. Was chattin with an A320 driver last night and he told me the airplane's flight controls would have gone into a a law that the crew weren't used to as a result of the power loss ( unless they hade the APU running which is not likely) making the handling less than intuitive for him. Bertie You hear a lot of voices, don't you? Check back in when (if) you sober up. |
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Turboprops
From across the ramp it sure looked like speed tape, although it could have
been a riveted patch. South Dakota to MSP is a pretty short flight. If I had been that guy I would have demanded a free first class pass for four pax domestic and international for the rest of my life. Even if NWA won the lawsuit, the cost of litigation would probably have been cheaper than the tix. |
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Turboprops
"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message ... snip of your usual bull**** - Good job Gertie. After the absence of your ignorance for a couple of months, the newsgroup begins to show signs of becoming useful again, and here you are, spouting your wanna be troll nonsense, and cross posting to the kook world. Are you afraid Mx was stealing your thunder? |
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Airliner crashes into Hudson River after LGA departure
"Maxwell" #$$9#@%%%.^^^ wrote in
: "Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message ... "RST Engineering" wrote in m: One of the things that helped him make that decision was that he had hundreds, if not thousands of "dead stick landings" as a flight instructor, glider. Jim CFIG Well, I wouldn't say there was much of a decision to be made, myself. no thrust and all that. Glider instructor woudl have helped him control the airplane OK. Well you wouldn't say a lot of things, if they didn't serve to primp your own ego. Was chattin with an A320 driver last night and he told me the airplane's flight controls would have gone into a a law that the crew weren't used to as a result of the power loss ( unless they hade the APU running which is not likely) making the handling less than intuitive for him. Bertie You hear a lot of voices, don't you? Check back in when (if) you sober up. Awww, drinkin lames! how kewt! Good for you Maxie, you just keep pluggin away there. Bertie |
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