Airliner crashes into Hudson River after LGA departure

"vaughn" wrote in
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Tech Support wrote in message
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Here is my post. I only reported what media was saying and if TRUE
was a bad decission.

quote Witness also said gear was down (per media). If true (I said)
, was bad decision. unquote

Later reports were more accurate and said gear up and streaming video
of bird before touch down let ME see that gear was up.

Does this satify you or can you not understand standard english
relating to flight?.


I think that I understand standard English as it relates to flight
pretty well, but I still find your original "bad decision" comment
surprising. Even if the gear had happened to be down for that
ditching, I would not be the one to stick my neck out and call it a
"bad decision" until I had heard the REASON for the gear being down.
For several reasons, there may have not been a decision to be made nor
time to make it in.

The pilots' first job is the fly the plane, then communicate, and only
then deal with internal cockpit details. According to one AP report I
read (whatever THAT is worth) the pilots had at least three pages of
checklists for engine out and then ditching (probably more).
According to that same article, the pilots did not operate the "ditch
switch" so we can guess that the pilots simply did not have time to
work their way to the end of their checklists before impact.


Actually communication, for the most part, would come after the
checklists. All that would be required is a simple declaration of
emergency, unless th ecrew required something of ATC, like a vecotr, or
equipment.


Bertie

"Maxwell" #$$9#@%%%.^^^ wrote in
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Tech Support wrote in message
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On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 11:42:40 -0600, "Maxwell" #$$9#@%%%.^^^ wrote:


"RST Engineering" wrote in message
news They established that two days ago.

Jim

--
"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a
thought without accepting it."
--Aristotle


Well don't tell me, tell Big John. He's the one that supposed it was
down.


Dear VI

Here is my post. I only reported what media was saying and if TRUE
was a bad decission.

quote Witness also said gear was down (per media). If true (I said)
, was bad decision. unquote

Later reports were more accurate and said gear up and streaming video
of bird before touch down let ME see that gear was up.

Does this satify you or can you not understand standard english
relating to flight?.

Big John


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Dear Prick

Are you having a comprehension problem? I didn't take issue with your
first post



Dear fjucktard..
Actually that's all i wanted to say.

Bertie

"Maxwell" #$$9#@%%%.^^^ wrote in :


"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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Apparently you are maxie.

don' tknow how to work your attribs yet?

Bertie

Who needs to bother with attribs, dumb ass.


Sez it all, wannabe boi


He posted a message from George, and signed it Ricky.

Is that a little too complex for your hangover?

Should I say it again, and a little slower?

If it amuses you as much as it would me.



Bertie

Dear VIi

I refuse to communicate with anyone who doesn't know their A**hole
from a hole in the ground.

Good by and may the rag heads take you down.

BJ

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On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 16:08:29 -0600, "Maxwell" #$$9#@%%%.^^^ wrote:


Tech Support wrote in message
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On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 11:42:40 -0600, "Maxwell" #$$9#@%%%.^^^ wrote:


"RST Engineering" wrote in message
news They established that two days ago.

Jim

--
"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought
without accepting it."
--Aristotle


Well don't tell me, tell Big John. He's the one that supposed it was down.


Dear VI

Here is my post. I only reported what media was saying and if TRUE was
a bad decission.

quote Witness also said gear was down (per media). If true (I said) ,
was bad decision. unquote

Later reports were more accurate and said gear up and streaming video
of bird before touch down let ME see that gear was up.

Does this satify you or can you not understand standard english
relating to flight?.

Big John

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Dear Prick

Are you having a comprehension problem? I didn't take issue with your first
post.

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
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Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
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Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
"Maxwell" #$$9#@%%%.^^^ wrote in news:%Focl.29929$H12.18354
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"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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John wrote in
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On Jan 15, 3:12 pm, Mxsmanic wrote:
Kingfish writes:
Holy smokes! CNN is reporting an airliner went down in the
Hudson
after departing LaGuardia. I heard something about
birdstrikes,
but
can't imagine a double engine failure due to that(?) They
sure picked a cold day to go swimming... Hope everybody is
ok...

Bird strikes are a leading cause of engine failure. Jet engines
don't
often
fail all on their own.

Well, according to
http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/gener...y_channel.jsp?
channel=busav&
id=news/eng08036.xml

By the way, the study's authors noted that compressor
stalls/surges
account for two-thirds of the engine malfunctions in today's
turbofans. This is a change from earlier generation turbine
designs
in
which uncontained failures were the principal malfunction. Since
stall/ surge is the primary engine malfunction, one would assume
that
it would be a regular item during initial, recurrent or
simulator training. And yet, I cannot recall ever reviewing the
matter or
being
exposed to a compressor stall/surge during a simulator session.


I have, but only a couple of times and just to run through the
drill.Most checklists just have you retarding the throttle and/or
shutting down anyhow.
Most times nowadays with high bypass fans it trashes the engine
straight
away, unlike the old JT8s and such which would fart away happily
enough
until you pulled the thrust lever back.


Bertie


Sounds like you, retarded and farting away.



Awww, maxie make a witty!

ROLF!


Tie me kangaroo down, sport.

What-ho, Squiffy?


uh wwuh uh wwuh uh whiggga whigga whuh..

Cabbages on the ceiling, Ser!
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ah

In article ,
a wrote:

Once, at general aviation speeds, we saw a flock of what seemed to be
canada geese at constant bearing out our windscreen. Sailers say
"Constant bearing means collision". We saw them with enough seconds in
hand to reduce our rate of climb and got under them.

Going under birds isn't advised, since when spooked, they often will
dive for the ground. Much safer to go over them, since their rate of
climb isn't that fast.

John
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John Clear - http://www.clear-prop.org/

In article e452f9d1-7e41-400a-9d21-
, says...
On Jan 15, 5:32*pm, Shirl wrote:
Kingfish wrote:
CNN is reporting all 135 on board got off the plane (and didn't get
wet!) Apparently a flock of geese got in the way soon after takeoff,
and both engines sucked in birds. Damn the luck...

Depends how you choose to view it. I'd say their luck was pretty damn
good!

Once, at general aviation speeds, we saw a flock of what seemed to be
canada geese at constant bearing out our windscreen. Sailers say
"Constant bearing means collision".

Just sailors say that? - jeez, whereabouts do *you* touch down on the
RWY?

--
Duncan

On Jan 18, 3:37*pm, "Maxwell" #$$9#@%%%.^^^ wrote:

I'm not Mx, and you can't seem to decide if you are George or Ricky.

Are you having an identity crisis?

Take the "a" out of Maxwell & you get MX.

George (aka; Ricky)

Bertie the Bunyip pinched out a steaming pile
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"Viperdoc" wrote in
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I flew into somewhere in SD in a Mesaba Saab 340. The flight before
had a bird strike on the windshield (goose), that broke off the
windshield wiper. The wiper blade then hit the prop, which flung the
broken blade through the side of the fuselage, impaling itself in
the
thigh of one of the pax. He had to go to the operating room for some
sort of surgery, but I do not think it broke his femur. Talk about
bad
luck.

They flew in a new prop the next day, and there was some speed tape
on
the side of the fuselage.


yipes. An airplane I uswed to fly had a wiper come loose and go right
through the engine, trashing it, but that is bad luck.

BTW, thehole in the fuse had to have had more than speed tape over it
unless thye were ferrying it unpressurised!

I've always wondered if the pax got to ride free on NWA for the rest
of his life.

Hehe
He'd have been lucky to get a taxi ride to the hospital for free!

They'd prolly refuse to give him anything to avoid being seen as
shoudergin
any blame whatsoever, I'd a thought.


Bertie

These two compelling stories are perfect examples of Why I Dont Fly.

nods

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Bertie the Bunyip pinched out a steaming pile
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"Scott M. Kozel" wrote in news:gkvte8$eth$1
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§ñühw¤£f wrote:

I propose a technological solution to the problem of bird strikes:
turboprops.
Lets return to the good old days pre-jet engines.

Well ... while the L-188 Lockheed Electra example is a turboprop,
the
above poster apparently didn't realize that a turboprop engine has a
jet
engine.

Discuss.

The large piston engines were incredibly complex, and generally
could
drive airliners at only about half the speed of those with the pure
jet
engines.


yes, but they were so much more fun


Bertie

Ok ok...totally *genius* idea: dirigibles.

Yeah, think on that for a while.

Its either that or the locomotive, chaps.

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