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  #111  
Old January 20th 09, 12:15 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,alt.usenet.kooks
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Default Maxie begins a new kook-out.were.... Airliner crashes into Hudson River after LGA departure

On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 09:24:17 -0600, in the land of alt.usenet.kooks,
攸hw不f got double secret probation for
writing:

Bertie the Bunyip pinched out a steaming pile
:

"Scott M. Kozel" wrote in news:gkvte8$eth$1
:

攸hw不f wrote:

I propose a technological solution to the problem of bird strikes:
turboprops.
Lets return to the good old days pre-jet engines.

Well ... while the L-188 Lockheed Electra example is a turboprop,

the
above poster apparently didn't realize that a turboprop engine has a

jet
engine.

Discuss.

The large piston engines were incredibly complex, and generally

could
drive airliners at only about half the speed of those with the pure

jet
engines.


yes, but they were so much more fun


Bertie

Ok ok...totally *genius* idea: dirigibles.

Yeah, think on that for a while.

Its either that or the locomotive, chaps.


We gots ours!
http://www.airshipventures.com

Was watching it a few months ago doing patterns around Moffet field.
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  #112  
Old January 20th 09, 03:09 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,alt.disasters.aviation
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Default Maxie begins a new kook-out.were.... Airliner crashes into HudsonRiver after LGA departure



George wrote:

How about the hijacked jet that crashed off the Atlantic?


And what jet would that be?

Graham

  #113  
Old January 20th 09, 03:11 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,alt.disasters.aviation
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Default Maxie begins a new kook-out.were.... Airliner crashes into HudsonRiver after LGA departure



Government Shill #2 wrote:

Great Tarverisms #5

The pitot tube was added to the first American jets to prevent the
kind of failures that killed an entire squadron off Florida. Without
P1 and T0 a jet will stall in fog.

Thanks to both of you for playing.

John

rec.aviation.military
11 August 2002


Has he expired ?

Graham


  #114  
Old January 20th 09, 04:34 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,alt.usenet.kooks,alt.disasters.aviation,rec.arts.poems
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Default Maxie begins a new kook-out.were.... Airliner crashes into HudsonRiver after LGA departure

Government Shill #2 wrote:

George wrote:

I wonder in this example why did the Electra stall and spin?
From my very first lessons it was drilled into my head by all my
instructors "WHEN THE ENGINE FAILS GET THE NOSE DOWN AND FLY THE
AIRPLANE!" I wonder why the Electra didn't remain in a (somewhat)
straight & level attitude? Was the crew too busy, confused, alarmed,
to fly/glide the airplane?


ISTR from reading Air Disasters by Macarthur Jobs, that the Electra crashed
because the birds took out both engines on one side and the asymmetric
thrust of the remaining engines could not be corrected by the available
rudder authority. I may be wrong. It was a long time ago that I read about it.


Plus the fact that it happened right after takeoff when it was just
above stall speed.

http://aviation-safety.net/database/...?id=19601004-0

A few seconds after taking off from runway 05, the Electra struck a
flock of starlings. A number of these birds were ingested in engine
no.1, 2 and 4. Engine no. 1 was shut down and the prop feathered.
Shortly after that the no. 2 and 4 engines experienced a substantial
momentary loss of power. This caused the plane to yaw to the left and
decelerate to stall speed. The left wing then dropped, the nose pitched
up and the L-188 rolled left into a spin and fell almost vertically into
the water.

PROBABLE CAUSE: "The unique and critical sequence of the loss and
recovery of engine power following bird ingestion, resulting in loss of
airspeed and control during takeoff. "
  #115  
Old January 20th 09, 07:01 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,alt.disasters.aviation
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Default Maxie begins a new kook-out.were.... Airliner crashes into Hudson River after LGA departure

On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 02:11:03 +0000, Eeyore
wrote:



Government Shill #2 wrote:

Great Tarverisms #5

The pitot tube was added to the first American jets to prevent the
kind of failures that killed an entire squadron off Florida. Without
P1 and T0 a jet will stall in fog.

Thanks to both of you for playing.

John

rec.aviation.military
11 August 2002


Has he expired ?


No. That was the day that he came out with that nonsense.

--
Shill #2

Great Tarverisms #2

What is the best selling beer in Oz?

Budweiser.

Another illusion shattered.

John

alt.disasters.aviation
18 August 2002
  #116  
Old January 20th 09, 07:13 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,alt.usenet.kooks,alt.disasters.aviation,rec.arts.poems
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Default Maxie begins a new kook-out.were.... Airliner crashes into Hudson River after LGA departure

On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 22:34:27 -0500, "Scott M. Kozel"
wrote:

Government Shill #2 wrote:

George wrote:

I wonder in this example why did the Electra stall and spin?
From my very first lessons it was drilled into my head by all my
instructors "WHEN THE ENGINE FAILS GET THE NOSE DOWN AND FLY THE
AIRPLANE!" I wonder why the Electra didn't remain in a (somewhat)
straight & level attitude? Was the crew too busy, confused, alarmed,
to fly/glide the airplane?


ISTR from reading Air Disasters by Macarthur Jobs, that the Electra crashed
because the birds took out both engines on one side and the asymmetric
thrust of the remaining engines could not be corrected by the available
rudder authority. I may be wrong. It was a long time ago that I read about it.


Plus the fact that it happened right after takeoff when it was just
above stall speed.

http://aviation-safety.net/database/...?id=19601004-0

A few seconds after taking off from runway 05, the Electra struck a
flock of starlings. A number of these birds were ingested in engine
no.1, 2 and 4. Engine no. 1 was shut down and the prop feathered.
Shortly after that the no. 2 and 4 engines experienced a substantial
momentary loss of power. This caused the plane to yaw to the left and
decelerate to stall speed. The left wing then dropped, the nose pitched
up and the L-188 rolled left into a spin and fell almost vertically into
the water.

PROBABLE CAUSE: "The unique and critical sequence of the loss and
recovery of engine power following bird ingestion, resulting in loss of
airspeed and control during takeoff. "


Ah yes. That's what it was.

--
Shill #2

Great Tarverisms #4

The clerk boy is practicly illiterate.

John

alt.disasters.aviation
10 November 2002
  #117  
Old January 20th 09, 03:01 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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Default Airliner crashes into Hudson River after LGA departure

On Jan 19, 5:03*pm, "Maxwell" #$$9#@%%%.^^^ wrote:
"George" wrote in message

...
On Jan 18, 3:37 pm, "Maxwell" #$$9#@%%%.^^^ wrote:

I'm not Mx, and you can't seem to decide if you are George or Ricky.


Are you having an identity crisis?


Take the "a" out of Maxwell & you get MX.

George (aka; Ricky)

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Wow dicky, you figured that out all on your own?

Take the G out of George or the R out of ricky, and you still have a dumb
ass.


Lucky for you he did since apparently, judging from your own post
below, you couldn't figure out where the Mx came from. Silly moron.


Oh, to help you find it, it's the first sentence of the last paragraph
of your post below.

************************************************** *****************
""Ricky" wrote in message

news:2e1c9809-bac6-434b-
...
On Jan 16, 12:59 pm, "Maxwell" #$$9#@%%%.^^^ wrote:

Tech Support wrote in message


...


Witness also said gear was down. If true, was bad decision.


Big John


************************************************** ************


I wonder if the gear was still down from take off, and they didn't have
time
or power to lift it.


That statement is as idiodic as some things MX says...oh, wait, you
have an "MX" in your sig, too. Go figure, two of the worst trolls have
"MX" in their names.

Oh really, and how do you figure that. Any idea what his altitude was
when
**** started happening? "
  #118  
Old January 20th 09, 04:19 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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Default Airliner crashes into Hudson River after LGA departure


wrote in message
...

Good job. You have just proven yourself as stupid and childish as your
friend.



  #119  
Old January 20th 09, 04:30 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,alt.usenet.kooks,alt.disasters.aviation,rec.arts.poems
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Default Turboprops

Bob Officer pinched out a steaming pile
:

On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 09:25:34 -0600, in alt.usenet.kooks, 攸hw不f
wrote:

Bertie the Bunyip pinched out a steaming pile
:

"Maxwell" #$$9#@%%%.^^^ wrote in
:


"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
...

snip of your usual bull**** -

Good job Gertie. After the absence of your ignorance for a couple

of
months, the newsgroup begins to show signs of becoming useful

again,
and here you are, spouting your wanna be troll nonsense, and cross
posting to the kook world.

Are you afraid Mx was stealing your thunder?

Nope, i just like watching you bitch and moan. It's a bit like

watching a
turtle turned on it's back.


Bertie

Whenever I find an injured animal I always try to help it.

It makes me feel warm inside...


How do you feel about post turtles?

Somwon already poasted that joke...which i have forgotten



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Old January 20th 09, 04:31 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,alt.usenet.kooks
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Default Maxie begins a new kook-out.were.... Airliner crashes into Hudson River after LGA departure

Bob Officer pinched out a steaming pile
:

On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 18:20:16 +0000 (UTC), in alt.usenet.kooks, Bertie
the Bunyip wrote:

攸hw不f wrote in news:t96dnQfJw-
:

Bertie the Bunyip pinched out a steaming pile
:

"Scott M. Kozel" wrote in news:gkvte8$eth$1
:

攸hw不f wrote:

I propose a technological solution to the problem of bird

strikes:
turboprops.
Lets return to the good old days pre-jet engines.

Well ... while the L-188 Lockheed Electra example is a turboprop,
the
above poster apparently didn't realize that a turboprop engine

has a
jet
engine.

Discuss.

The large piston engines were incredibly complex, and generally
could
drive airliners at only about half the speed of those with the

pure
jet
engines.


yes, but they were so much more fun


Bertie

Ok ok...totally *genius* idea: dirigibles.


Excellent. I'll sign on for a course.



Yeah, think on that for a while.

Its either that or the locomotive, chaps.

Only if it's a real one. i.e. Steam


No! Hell no!

And what pray tell is wrong with steam?


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