Airliner crashes into Hudson River after LGA departure

Aratzio pinched out a steaming pile
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On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 09:24:17 -0600, in the land of alt.usenet.kooks,
§ñühw¤£f got double secret probation for
writing:

Bertie the Bunyip pinched out a steaming pile
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"Scott M. Kozel" wrote in news:gkvte8$eth$1
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§ñühw¤£f wrote:

I propose a technological solution to the problem of bird
strikes:
turboprops.
Lets return to the good old days pre-jet engines.

Well ... while the L-188 Lockheed Electra example is a turboprop,
the
above poster apparently didn't realize that a turboprop engine has
a
jet
engine.

Discuss.

The large piston engines were incredibly complex, and generally
could
drive airliners at only about half the speed of those with the
pure
jet
engines.


yes, but they were so much more fun


Bertie

Ok ok...totally *genius* idea: dirigibles.

Yeah, think on that for a while.

Its either that or the locomotive, chaps.

We gots ours!
http://www.airshipventures.com

Was watching it a few months ago doing patterns around Moffet field.

Nice. Blimps do lousy in adverse wind conditions but who needs to
travel anyway wehn teh weather is bad?

^_^

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Oh really, and how do you figure that. Any idea what his altitude was
when
**** started happening? "

3400 ft.

Bob Officer pinched out a steaming pile
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On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 09:31:29 -0600, in alt.usenet.kooks, §ñühw¤£f
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Bob Officer pinched out a steaming pile
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On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 18:20:16 +0000 (UTC), in alt.usenet.kooks,
Bertie
the Bunyip wrote:

§ñühw¤£f wrote in news:t96dnQfJw-
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Bertie the Bunyip pinched out a steaming
pile
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"Scott M. Kozel" wrote in news:gkvte8$eth$1
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§ñühw¤£f wrote:

I propose a technological solution to the problem of bird
strikes:
turboprops.
Lets return to the good old days pre-jet engines.

Well ... while the L-188 Lockheed Electra example is a
turboprop,
the
above poster apparently didn't realize that a turboprop engine
has a
jet
engine.

Discuss.

The large piston engines were incredibly complex, and generally
could
drive airliners at only about half the speed of those with the
pure
jet
engines.


yes, but they were so much more fun


Bertie

Ok ok...totally *genius* idea: dirigibles.

Excellent. I'll sign on for a course.


Yeah, think on that for a while.

Its either that or the locomotive, chaps.

Only if it's a real one. i.e. Steam

No! Hell no!

And what pray tell is wrong with steam?

Steam locomotives? Everything.

Well man spit it out! Lets not play guessing games here!


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Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
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Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
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Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
"Maxwell" #$$9#@%%%.^^^ wrote in news:%Focl.29929$H12.18354
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"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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John wrote in
news:32b8ee0b-1587-4404-a9f3-e33d06d50c51
@u18g2000pro.googlegroups.com:

On Jan 15, 3:12 pm, Mxsmanic wrote:
Kingfish writes:
Holy smokes! CNN is reporting an airliner went down in the
Hudson
after departing LaGuardia. I heard something about
birdstrikes,
but
can't imagine a double engine failure due to that(?) They
sure picked a cold day to go swimming... Hope everybody is
ok...

Bird strikes are a leading cause of engine failure. Jet
engines
don't
often
fail all on their own.

Well, according to
http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/gener...y_channel.jsp?
channel=busav&
id=news/eng08036.xml

By the way, the study's authors noted that compressor
stalls/surges
account for two-thirds of the engine malfunctions in today's
turbofans. This is a change from earlier generation turbine
designs
in
which uncontained failures were the principal malfunction.
Since
stall/ surge is the primary engine malfunction, one would
assume
that
it would be a regular item during initial, recurrent or
simulator training. And yet, I cannot recall ever reviewing
the
matter or
being
exposed to a compressor stall/surge during a simulator
session.


I have, but only a couple of times and just to run through the
drill.Most checklists just have you retarding the throttle
and/or
shutting down anyhow.
Most times nowadays with high bypass fans it trashes the engine
straight
away, unlike the old JT8s and such which would fart away
happily
enough
until you pulled the thrust lever back.


Bertie


Sounds like you, retarded and farting away.



Awww, maxie make a witty!

ROLF!


Tie me kangaroo down, sport.

What-ho, Squiffy?


uh wwuh uh wwuh uh whiggga whigga whuh..

Cabbages on the ceiling, Ser!

Rice in all the crevices.

Bertie

§ñühw¤£f wrote in news:t96dnQbJw-
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Bertie the Bunyip pinched out a steaming pile
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"Maxwell" #$$9#@%%%.^^^ wrote in
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"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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snip of your usual bull**** -

Good job Gertie. After the absence of your ignorance for a couple of
months, the newsgroup begins to show signs of becoming useful again,
and here you are, spouting your wanna be troll nonsense, and cross
posting to the kook world.

Are you afraid Mx was stealing your thunder?

Nope, i just like watching you bitch and moan. It's a bit like
watching a
turtle turned on it's back.


Bertie

Whenever I find an injured animal I always try to help it.

It makes me feel warm inside...

Well, Maxie will never learn if we do it for him.


Bertie

Eeyore wrote in
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Government Shill #2 wrote:

Great Tarverisms #5

The pitot tube was added to the first American jets to prevent the
kind of failures that killed an entire squadron off Florida. Without
P1 and T0 a jet will stall in fog.

Thanks to both of you for playing.

John

rec.aviation.military
11 August 2002

Has he expired ?

What's it to you netkkkop?

Bertie

"Scott M. Kozel" wrote in
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Government Shill #2 wrote:

George wrote:

I wonder in this example why did the Electra stall and spin?
From my very first lessons it was drilled into my head by all my
instructors "WHEN THE ENGINE FAILS GET THE NOSE DOWN AND FLY THE
AIRPLANE!" I wonder why the Electra didn't remain in a (somewhat)
straight & level attitude? Was the crew too busy, confused, alarmed,
to fly/glide the airplane?

ISTR from reading Air Disasters by Macarthur Jobs, that the Electra
crashed because the birds took out both engines on one side and the
asymmetric thrust of the remaining engines could not be corrected by
the available rudder authority. I may be wrong. It was a long time
ago that I read about it.

Plus the fact that it happened right after takeoff when it was just
above stall speed.


It wouldn't have been just above stal speed, it would have been just
above V2 whihc would have been at least VSO 1.2

http://aviation-safety.net/database/...?id=19601004-0

A few seconds after taking off from runway 05, the Electra struck a
flock of starlings. A number of these birds were ingested in engine
no.1, 2 and 4. Engine no. 1 was shut down and the prop feathered.
Shortly after that the no. 2 and 4 engines experienced a substantial
momentary loss of power. This caused the plane to yaw to the left and
decelerate to stall speed. The left wing then dropped, the nose
pitched up and the L-188 rolled left into a spin and fell almost
vertically into the water.

PROBABLE CAUSE: "The unique and critical sequence of the loss and
recovery of engine power following bird ingestion, resulting in loss
of airspeed and control during takeoff. "


Loss of airspeed due to the loss of three engines. The HP woudl have
been attempting to maintain altitude with a speed trade and no thrust to
spare. He would have entually hit VMC and rolled doing this. Just like
Concorde..


Bertie

Eeyore wrote in
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George wrote:

How about the hijacked jet that crashed off the Atlantic?

And what jet would that be?

Aww, Pooh pooh is setting you up for a put down when he reveals that
Ethiopian didn't crash in the atlantic.

That all you got Poo Poo?

Bertie

"Maxwell" #$$9#@%%%.^^^ wrote in
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"George" wrote in message
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. On Jan 18, 3:37 pm, "Maxwell" #$$9#@%%%.^^^ wrote:

I'm not Mx, and you can't seem to decide if you are George or Ricky.

Are you having an identity crisis?

Take the "a" out of Maxwell & you get MX.

George (aka; Ricky)

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Wow dicky, you figured that out all on your own?

Take the G out of George or the R out of ricky, and you still have a
dumb ass.



An take the asshole out of MAxie and you got nothing.

Bertie

"Maxwell" #$$9#@%%%.^^^ wrote in :


wrote in message
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Good job. You have just proven yourself as stupid and childish as your
friend.



Have you lcated some sort of random insult generatort there Maxie? Maybe on
the Burger King Kids Korner Page?


BTW, yo mama like a cuppa coffee

Bertie