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  #141  
Old January 21st 09, 09:44 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,alt.usenet.kooks,alt.disasters.aviation,rec.arts.poems
Bertie the Bunyip[_28_]
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Default Maxie begins a new kook-out.were.... Airliner crashes into Hudson River after LGA departure

Bob Officer wrote in
:

On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 18:37:04 +0000 (UTC), in alt.usenet.kooks, Bertie
the Bunyip wrote:

"Scott M. Kozel" wrote in
:

Government Shill #2 wrote:

George wrote:

I wonder in this example why did the Electra stall and spin?
From my very first lessons it was drilled into my head by all my
instructors "WHEN THE ENGINE FAILS GET THE NOSE DOWN AND FLY THE
AIRPLANE!" I wonder why the Electra didn't remain in a (somewhat)
straight & level attitude? Was the crew too busy, confused,

alarmed,
to fly/glide the airplane?

ISTR from reading Air Disasters by Macarthur Jobs, that the Electra
crashed because the birds took out both engines on one side and the
asymmetric thrust of the remaining engines could not be corrected

by
the available rudder authority. I may be wrong. It was a long time
ago that I read about it.

Plus the fact that it happened right after takeoff when it was just
above stall speed.


It wouldn't have been just above stal speed, it would have been just
above V2 whihc would have been at least VSO 1.2

http://aviation-safety.net/database/...?id=19601004-0

A few seconds after taking off from runway 05, the Electra struck a
flock of starlings. A number of these birds were ingested in engine
no.1, 2 and 4. Engine no. 1 was shut down and the prop feathered.
Shortly after that the no. 2 and 4 engines experienced a substantial
momentary loss of power. This caused the plane to yaw to the left

and
decelerate to stall speed. The left wing then dropped, the nose
pitched up and the L-188 rolled left into a spin and fell almost
vertically into the water.

PROBABLE CAUSE: "The unique and critical sequence of the loss and
recovery of engine power following bird ingestion, resulting in loss
of airspeed and control during takeoff. "


Loss of airspeed due to the loss of three engines. The HP woudl have
been attempting to maintain altitude with a speed trade and no thrust

to
spare. He would have entually hit VMC and rolled doing this. Just like
Concorde..


No one can fault Scully. He has exactly the same number of take offs
and landings. That he swam away from his last with no loss passengers
and crew is a good thing.



At the end of the day, tha's all that counts. There are those who would
try and tamper with success, though. Evel fjukkers.
We have an obscene name for them, so if any reader is of a timid
disposition, they had best look away now. We call them..

Management pilots.

Bertie
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  #142  
Old January 21st 09, 09:49 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,alt.usenet.kooks
Bertie the Bunyip[_28_]
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Default Maxie begins a new kook-out.were.... Airliner crashes into Hudson River after LGA departure

Bob Officer wrote in
:

On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 09:31:50 -0600, in alt.usenet.kooks, 攸hw不f
wrote:

Bob Officer pinched out a steaming pile
:

On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 09:31:29 -0600, in alt.usenet.kooks, 攸hw不f
wrote:

Bob Officer pinched out a steaming pile
:

On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 18:20:16 +0000 (UTC), in alt.usenet.kooks,

Bertie
the Bunyip wrote:

攸hw不f wrote in news:t96dnQfJw-
:

Bertie the Bunyip pinched out a steaming

pile
:

"Scott M. Kozel" wrote in news:gkvte8$eth

$1
:

攸hw不f wrote:

I propose a technological solution to the problem of bird
strikes:
turboprops.
Lets return to the good old days pre-jet engines.

Well ... while the L-188 Lockheed Electra example is a

turboprop,
the
above poster apparently didn't realize that a turboprop engine
has a
jet
engine.

Discuss.

The large piston engines were incredibly complex, and

generally
could
drive airliners at only about half the speed of those with the
pure
jet
engines.


yes, but they were so much more fun


Bertie

Ok ok...totally *genius* idea: dirigibles.

Excellent. I'll sign on for a course.


Yeah, think on that for a while.

Its either that or the locomotive, chaps.

Only if it's a real one. i.e. Steam

No! Hell no!

And what pray tell is wrong with steam?

Steam locomotives? Everything.

Well man spit it out! Lets not play guessing games here!


Have you ever been on a working steam locomotive?

They are very dirty (producing soot and ash. Very noisy. (usually
about 90-105 dB. They get louder under full power)


Excelelnt.


Most all locomotive engineers from the steam era were deaf. and
suffered breathing problems.



Pretty much the same as pilts, then.

Most all locomotive engineers from the diesel era still suffer
hearing loss. Most all operating employees for railroads with more
than 10 years of service have some hearing loss. About ten years ago
the railroads started losing lawsuits over hearing losses and started
a hearing conservation program. Too bad it was 27 years too late.

Biggest complaints from crews which still use those 1st and 2nd
generation locomotives, noise and exhaust fumes in the cab.


Guess what?


http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...oxic-fumes-in-
airliner-cabins-ignored-by-authorities.html

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2...ndustry.uknews

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...umes-check-on-
ba-jets-683819.html

http://www.welcomeaboardtoxicairline...amediapack.pdf


http://www.corporatewatch.org/?lid=3073



Bertie

  #143  
Old January 21st 09, 11:18 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,alt.disasters.aviation
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Default Turboprops


"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
.. .
"Maxwell" #$$9#@%%%.^^^ wrote in
:


"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
...

Nope, i just like watching you bitch and moan. It's a bit like
watching a turtle turned on it's back.


Bertie


At least you have a grip on your own situation.






Awww, another IKYABWAI poast.

C'mon Maxie a bit of effort here please.

Bertie


Effort? What, you wanna play Squirty the ****Drip again?



  #144  
Old January 21st 09, 11:36 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,alt.usenet.kooks
攸hw不f[_2_]
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Default Maxie begins a new kook-out.were.... Airliner crashes into Hudson River after LGA departure

In message , Bob Officer wrote:
On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 09:31:50 -0600, in alt.usenet.kooks, 攸hw不f
wrote:

Bob Officer pinched out a steaming pile
:

On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 09:31:29 -0600, in alt.usenet.kooks, 攸hw不f
wrote:

Bob Officer pinched out a steaming pile
:

On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 18:20:16 +0000 (UTC), in alt.usenet.kooks,

Bertie
the Bunyip wrote:

攸hw不f wrote in news:t96dnQfJw-
:

Bertie the Bunyip pinched out a steaming

pile
:

"Scott M. Kozel" wrote in news:gkvte8$eth$1
:

攸hw不f wrote:

I propose a technological solution to the problem of bird
strikes:
turboprops.
Lets return to the good old days pre-jet engines.

Well ... while the L-188 Lockheed Electra example is a

turboprop,
the
above poster apparently didn't realize that a turboprop engine
has a
jet
engine.

Discuss.

The large piston engines were incredibly complex, and generally
could
drive airliners at only about half the speed of those with the
pure
jet
engines.


yes, but they were so much more fun


Bertie

Ok ok...totally *genius* idea: dirigibles.

Excellent. I'll sign on for a course.


Yeah, think on that for a while.

Its either that or the locomotive, chaps.

Only if it's a real one. i.e. Steam

No! Hell no!

And what pray tell is wrong with steam?

Steam locomotives? Everything.

Well man spit it out! Lets not play guessing games here!


Have you ever been on a working steam locomotive?

Not while its running.

They are very dirty (producing soot and ash. Very noisy. (usually
about 90-105 dB. They get louder under full power)

Yeap. Coal fired mostly.

Most all locomotive engineers from the steam era were deaf. and
suffered breathing problems.

My granpa was one
Deaf as hell but no breathing problems...he didnt know who the **** I was
later since he was all alzheimersy & stuff.

Most all locomotive engineers from the diesel era still suffer
hearing loss. Most all operating employees for railroads with more
than 10 years of service have some hearing loss. About ten years ago
the railroads started losing lawsuits over hearing losses and started
a hearing conservation program. Too bad it was 27 years too late.

YEah...back in the day it was a macho job and you didnt **** & moan
about the conditions.

Biggest complaints from crews which still use those 1st and 2nd
generation locomotives, noise and exhaust fumes in the cab.

Ever seen a track weasel?

^_^

--
"I believe there are more instances of the abridgement of freedom of the people
y gradual and silent encroachments by those in power than by violent and sudden
surpations.... The means of defense against foreign danger historically have bec
me the instruments of tyranny at home."
-James Madison

  #145  
Old January 21st 09, 11:42 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,alt.usenet.kooks,alt.disasters.aviation,rec.arts.poems,alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk
Bertie the Bunyip[_28_]
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Default Airliner crashes into Hudson River after LGA departure

"Maxwell" #$$9#@%%%.^^^ wrote in news

"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
.. .
"Maxwell" #$$9#@%%%.^^^ wrote in
:


wrote in message
news:94e057be-6ea5-4cfe-98f2-271d6e3bbd91

@p2g2000prn.googlegroups.com
...

Good job. You have just proven yourself as stupid and childish as
your friend.



Have you lcated some sort of random insult generatort there Maxie?
Maybe on
the Burger King Kids Korner Page?


BTW, yo mama like a cuppa coffee

Bertie


Who needs it with a target a stupid as you.



Target?


bwawahwhhawhhawh!

Oh Got me again there Maxie.



Bertie

  #146  
Old January 21st 09, 11:43 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,alt.usenet.kooks,alt.disasters.aviation,rec.arts.poems,alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk
Bertie the Bunyip[_28_]
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Default Airliner crashes into Hudson River after LGA departure

"Maxwell" #$$9#@%%%.^^^ wrote in news

"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
.. .
"Maxwell" #$$9#@%%%.^^^ wrote in
:


"George" wrote in message
news:[email protected]

35g2000pry.googlegroups.com
.. . On Jan 18, 3:37 pm, "Maxwell" #$$9#@%%%.^^^ wrote:

I'm not Mx, and you can't seem to decide if you are George or
Ricky.

Are you having an identity crisis?

Take the "a" out of Maxwell & you get MX.

George (aka; Ricky)


---------------------------------------------------------------------
-- --------------------

Wow dicky, you figured that out all on your own?

Take the G out of George or the R out of ricky, and you still have a
dumb ass.



An take the asshole out of MAxie and you got nothing.

Bertie


Not true, take the asshole out of anything, and you would be holding a
Baby Bertie.


Ah, more IKYABWAI lames..



C'mon maxie at least try to makeit a little bit interesting.



Bertie
  #147  
Old January 21st 09, 11:46 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,alt.usenet.kooks
Bertie the Bunyip[_28_]
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Default Maxie begins a new kook-out.were.... Airliner crashes into Hudson River after LGA departure

攸hw不f wrote in
:

In message , Bob Officer
wrote:
On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 09:31:50 -0600, in alt.usenet.kooks, 攸hw不f
wrote:

Bob Officer pinched out a steaming pile
:

On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 09:31:29 -0600, in alt.usenet.kooks, 攸hw不f
wrote:

Bob Officer pinched out a steaming pile
:

On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 18:20:16 +0000 (UTC), in alt.usenet.kooks,
Bertie
the Bunyip wrote:

攸hw不f wrote in news:t96dnQfJw-
:

Bertie the Bunyip pinched out a steaming
pile
:

"Scott M. Kozel" wrote in
news:gkvte8$eth$1 @news.motzarella.org:

攸hw不f wrote:

I propose a technological solution to the problem of bird
strikes:
turboprops.
Lets return to the good old days pre-jet engines.

Well ... while the L-188 Lockheed Electra example is a
turboprop,
the
above poster apparently didn't realize that a turboprop
engine
has a
jet
engine.

Discuss.

The large piston engines were incredibly complex, and
generally
could
drive airliners at only about half the speed of those with
the
pure
jet
engines.


yes, but they were so much more fun


Bertie

Ok ok...totally *genius* idea: dirigibles.

Excellent. I'll sign on for a course.


Yeah, think on that for a while.

Its either that or the locomotive, chaps.

Only if it's a real one. i.e. Steam

No! Hell no!

And what pray tell is wrong with steam?

Steam locomotives? Everything.

Well man spit it out! Lets not play guessing games here!


Have you ever been on a working steam locomotive?

Not while its running.

They are very dirty (producing soot and ash. Very noisy. (usually
about 90-105 dB. They get louder under full power)

Yeap. Coal fired mostly.

Most all locomotive engineers from the steam era were deaf. and
suffered breathing problems.

My granpa was one
Deaf as hell but no breathing problems...he didnt know who the **** I
was later since he was all alzheimersy & stuff.

Most all locomotive engineers from the diesel era still suffer
hearing loss. Most all operating employees for railroads with more
than 10 years of service have some hearing loss. About ten years ago
the railroads started losing lawsuits over hearing losses and started
a hearing conservation program. Too bad it was 27 years too late.

YEah...back in the day it was a macho job and you didnt **** & moan
about the conditions.

Biggest complaints from crews which still use those 1st and 2nd
generation locomotives, noise and exhaust fumes in the cab.

Ever seen a track weasel?


Mm, no. I seem to remeber hearing the term, though. What is it?



^_^

--
"I believe there are more instances of the abridgement of freedom of
the people y gradual and silent encroachments by those in power than
by violent and sudden surpations.... The means of defense against
foreign danger historically have bec me the instruments of tyranny at
home." -James Madison



  #148  
Old January 22nd 09, 12:09 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,alt.usenet.kooks
Aratzio
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Default Maxie begins a new kook-out.were.... Airliner crashes into Hudson River after LGA departure

On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 09:33:38 -0600, in the land of alt.usenet.kooks,
攸hw不f got double secret probation for
writing:

Aratzio pinched out a steaming pile
:

On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 09:24:17 -0600, in the land of alt.usenet.kooks,
攸hw不f got double secret probation for
writing:

Bertie the Bunyip pinched out a steaming pile
:

"Scott M. Kozel" wrote in news:gkvte8$eth$1
:

攸hw不f wrote:

I propose a technological solution to the problem of bird

strikes:
turboprops.
Lets return to the good old days pre-jet engines.

Well ... while the L-188 Lockheed Electra example is a turboprop,
the
above poster apparently didn't realize that a turboprop engine has

a
jet
engine.

Discuss.

The large piston engines were incredibly complex, and generally
could
drive airliners at only about half the speed of those with the

pure
jet
engines.


yes, but they were so much more fun


Bertie

Ok ok...totally *genius* idea: dirigibles.

Yeah, think on that for a while.

Its either that or the locomotive, chaps.


We gots ours!
http://www.airshipventures.com

Was watching it a few months ago doing patterns around Moffet field.

Nice. Blimps do lousy in adverse wind conditions but who needs to
travel anyway wehn teh weather is bad?

^_^


They fly a dirigible. Check out the placement of the engines.
  #149  
Old January 22nd 09, 12:36 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,alt.disasters.aviation
Bertie the Bunyip[_28_]
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Default Maxie begins a new kook-out.were.... Airliner crashes into Hudson River after LGA departure

Eeyore wrote in
:



George wrote:

How about the hijacked jet that crashed off the Atlantic?


And what jet would that be?


See?


Bertie
  #150  
Old January 22nd 09, 03:49 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,alt.disasters.aviation,alt.usenet.kooks
Bertie the Bunyip[_28_]
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Default Turboprops

"Maxwell" #$$9#@%%%.^^^ wrote in :


"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
.. .
"Maxwell" #$$9#@%%%.^^^ wrote in
:


"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
...

Nope, i just like watching you bitch and moan. It's a bit like
watching a turtle turned on it's back.


Bertie

At least you have a grip on your own situation.






Awww, another IKYABWAI poast.

C'mon Maxie a bit of effort here please.

Bertie


Effort? What, you wanna play Squirty the ****Drip again?



Well, if you want to be ****ed on again, not a lot i can do to stop that.

Bertie
 




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