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  #181  
Old January 25th 09, 02:41 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Eeyore[_2_]
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Default Maxie begins a new kook-out.were.... Airliner crashes into HudsonRiver after LGA departure



Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

Bob Officer wrote

No one can fault Scully. He has exactly the same number of take offs
and landings. That he swam away from his last with no loss passengers
and crew is a good thing.


At the end of the day, tha's all that counts. There are those who would
try and tamper with success, though. Evel fjukkers.
We have an obscene name for them, so if any reader is of a timid
disposition, they had best look away now. We call them..

Management pilots.


Engineers call them the 'suits'.

Graham

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  #182  
Old January 25th 09, 04:55 PM posted to alt.fan.bertie-the-bunyip,rec.aviation.piloting,alt.disasters.aviation
攸hw不f[_2_]
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Default Maxie begins a new kook-out.was: what do Okies eat anyhow?

Bertie the Bunyip pinched out a steaming pile
:

攸hw不f wrote in
news:[email protected] net:

Bertie the Bunyip pinched out a steaming pile
:

攸hw不f wrote in
:

In message , Bertie

the
Bunyip wrote:
攸hw不f wrote in news:l_WdnfjqXdGNd-
:

Bob Officer pinched out a steaming pile
:

On Fri, 23 Jan 2009 01:00:35 +0000 (UTC), in alt.usenet.kooks,
Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

攸hw不f wrote in
news:[email protected] l.net:

Bertie the Bunyip pinched out a

steaming
pile :

攸hw不f wrote in
:

In message ,

Bob
Officer
wrote:
On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 09:31:50 -0600, in alt.usenet.kooks,
攸hw不f
wrote:

Bob Officer pinched out a

steaming
pile :

On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 09:31:29 -0600, in

alt.usenet.kooks,
攸hw不f
wrote:

Bob Officer pinched out a

steaming
pile
:

On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 18:20:16 +0000 (UTC), in
alt.usenet.kooks,
Bertie
the Bunyip wrote:

攸hw不f wrote in
news:t96dnQfJw-

:

Bertie the Bunyip pinched out

a
steaming
pile
:

"Scott M. Kozel" wrote in
news:gkvte8$eth$1 @news.motzarella.org:

攸hw不f wrote:

I propose a technological solution to the

problem
of
bird
strikes:
turboprops.
Lets return to the good old days pre-jet

engines.

Well ... while the L-188 Lockheed Electra

example
is
a
turboprop,
the
above poster apparently didn't realize that a
turboprop engine
has a
jet
engine.

Discuss.

The large piston engines were incredibly

complex,
and generally
could
drive airliners at only about half the speed of
those
with
the
pure
jet
engines.


yes, but they were so much more fun


Bertie

Ok ok...totally *genius* idea: dirigibles.

Excellent. I'll sign on for a course.


Yeah, think on that for a while.

Its either that or the locomotive, chaps.

Only if it's a real one. i.e. Steam

No! Hell no!

And what pray tell is wrong with steam?

Steam locomotives? Everything.

Well man spit it out! Lets not play guessing games here!

Have you ever been on a working steam locomotive?

Not while its running.

They are very dirty (producing soot and ash. Very noisy.
(usually
about 90-105 dB. They get louder under full power)

Yeap. Coal fired mostly.

Most all locomotive engineers from the steam era were

deaf.
and suffered breathing problems.

My granpa was one
Deaf as hell but no breathing problems...he didnt know who

the
****
I
was later since he was all alzheimersy & stuff.

Most all locomotive engineers from the diesel era still
suffer hearing loss. Most all operating employees for
railroads with
more
than 10 years of service have some hearing loss. About

ten
years
ago
the railroads started losing lawsuits over hearing losses

and
started
a hearing conservation program. Too bad it was 27 years

too
late.

YEah...back in the day it was a macho job and you didnt

****
&
moan
about the conditions.

Biggest complaints from crews which still use those 1st

and
2nd generation locomotives, noise and exhaust fumes in

the
cab.

Ever seen a track weasel?


Mm, no. I seem to remeber hearing the term, though. What is

it?


back in the olden days the trains toilet dumped straight

onto
the tracks...the TP that persisted was called a "track

weasel".




OK never heard of that. ANd now it's lodged in my head

forever.
When will I learn?

Would the same thing happen if the blue ice sublimated leaving

only
the residue floating in the air?

Didnt airlines used to just dump straight out the plane?
IIRC people & things were getting hit with GIANT ICEY TURD-

CUBES.

shudder


Well, yes and no. There was a vent that sometimes woudl develop

an
icicle, but it wasn't supposed to do that!

MOMMY MOMMY I FOUND A COMET!!!111!!!!

Do aliens use tampons???


What didyou think comets were? Surely the big string trailing behind
gave you a clue?


Its cosmic poop...

0_0

Or, a new Okie delicacy.


WITH A SIDE OF KUDZU!!!!!1111!!!!!


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  #183  
Old January 25th 09, 05:01 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,alt.usenet.kooks
攸hw不f[_2_]
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Default Maxie begins a new kook-out.were.... Airliner crashes into Hudson River after LGA departure

Bob Officer pinched out a steaming pile
:

On Sat, 24 Jan 2009 15:37:43 -0700, in alt.usenet.kooks, 攸hw不f
wrote:

In message , Bob Officer

wrote:
On Sat, 24 Jan 2009 09:57:44 -0600, in alt.usenet.kooks, 攸hw不f
wrote:

Bob Officer pinched out a steaming pile
:

On Fri, 23 Jan 2009 16:39:39 -0700, in alt.usenet.kooks, 攸hw不f
wrote:

In message , Bob

Officer
wrote:
On Fri, 23 Jan 2009 10:11:06 -0600, in alt.usenet.kooks,

攸hw不f
wrote:

Bob Officer pinched out a steaming

pile
:

On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 09:49:33 -0600, in alt.usenet.kooks,
攸hw不f
wrote:

Bob Officer pinched out a steaming

pile
:

On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 15:36:12 -0700, in alt.usenet.kooks,
攸hw不f
wrote:

In message ,

Bob
Officer
wrote:
On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 09:31:50 -0600, in

alt.usenet.kooks,
攸hw不f
wrote:

Bob Officer pinched out a

steaming
pile
:

On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 09:31:29 -0600, in

alt.usenet.kooks,
攸hw不f
wrote:

Bob Officer pinched out a

steaming
pile
:

On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 18:20:16 +0000 (UTC), in
alt.usenet.kooks,
Bertie
the Bunyip wrote:

攸hw不f wrote in
news:t96dnQfJw-
:

Bertie the Bunyip pinched

out a
steaming
pile
:

"Scott M. Kozel" wrote in
news:gkvte8$eth$1
:

攸hw不f wrote:

I propose a technological solution to the

problem
of
bird
strikes:
turboprops.
Lets return to the good old days pre-jet

engines.

Well ... while the L-188 Lockheed Electra

example
is a
turboprop,
the
above poster apparently didn't realize that a
turboprop
engine
has a
jet
engine.

Discuss.

The large piston engines were incredibly

complex,
and
generally
could
drive airliners at only about half the speed

of
those
with
the
pure
jet
engines.


yes, but they were so much more fun


Bertie

Ok ok...totally *genius* idea: dirigibles.

Excellent. I'll sign on for a course.


Yeah, think on that for a while.

Its either that or the locomotive, chaps.

Only if it's a real one. i.e. Steam

No! Hell no!

And what pray tell is wrong with steam?

Steam locomotives? Everything.

Well man spit it out! Lets not play guessing games

here!

Have you ever been on a working steam locomotive?

Not while its running.

I have.

Didja get to be the shovelman?

No the engine had a working feed system. I do believe when

Dad
Fired
steam on the L&N they had "stokers" that hand fed the coal

if the
feed broke or didn't work.

Originally an operating crew would be the engineer, firemen,

and
if
they had cars, a conductor and brakemen for every x numbers

of
cars
on the territory. Stokers were not really members of "the

crew",
but
worked under the direction of the Locomotive Firemen. The
Engineer
operated the locomotive and was responsible for the trains

safe
operation. The Conductor was in charge of cars and the

contents,
there of and the assignment and positioning of his brake

men. The
brakes on the train were set (by hand) at the direction of

the
engineer. (all those whistle signals.)

Then the airbrakes came about, the need for multiple

brakemen for
x
number of cars.

Yeah..."improvements" to the system cut manpower. now all you

have
is
one or two people per train trying to stay awake.
So much for "progress".

You don't know the half of it...

The roundhouse up in essex was taken down and people lost jobs.
Every time theres some manpower saving device, people loose

jobs.
Eventually we'll all sit at home or whatever and the robots will
do everything.

Yep and if things don't done exactly right...

Well the last big accident in the news was the guy on a cell phone

in
Los Angeles or nearby and that was *human* error.
The robots cant do much worse.

Human Stupidity.

The man didn't have his priorities right.

Indeed. SO if you eliminate the human element...


You have a programer to blame...

The "trains" will be AI transforming robots....ala the Transformers.
Oh yeah.

They are very dirty (producing soot and ash. Very

noisy.
(usually
about 90-105 dB. They get louder under full power)

Yeap. Coal fired mostly.

One coal and everything else was oil.

Leave us not forget *wood*...it was plentiful once across

the
country.

Most all locomotive engineers from the steam era were

deaf.
and
suffered breathing problems.

My granpa was one

So was mine, and so was my Dad.

Go Union!

However That wasn't how it worked. Grandad worked the Rock

Island
St
Louis to Sikeston he retired at 65 with something like 50

years
of
service. Pop worked for the L&N @ Cleveland, Tn. Then he

came
west
during WW2. He went to work for the SP and retired with 45+

years
of
combined service. There was 20 months of military service,

and he
was
discharged because of heart murmur.


Still...back in the day...those *were* good jobs.
At least you had some security.
Downsizing wasn't the norm. Now, its "oh ****, the passenger

load
has
dropped off by 5%, lets fire a bunch of people and cut

service".

up until about 1990 there was a seasonal flow. As the business
would
ebb people in operating crafts would be cut off/layed off.

Then
called back in senority order. Some would stick around and

others
would find work eslewhere and wouldn't come back. Around here

lots
of
kids put themselves through college working all summer for the

RR
and
then getting cut off right up until the xmas rush. Then they

would
be
cutoff until the summer. here is even an area where they kids

would
work only the weekends getting cut off every monday morning

and
called back every friday night.

Part timers get no bennies, sure.

If they worked one day a month... they had the health bennies.

almost
everyone worked one day a month. the only time I didn't was, away

on
Active Military Duty or when I was off injured on duty. I still

got
bennies then.

Well...obviously I know absolutely nothing about this subject.
Not that it would stop me

I understand that.

That, however, would make a great T-Shirt.

Usenet Confession:
"Well...obviously I know absolutely nothing about this subject.
Not that it would stop me "

or Signature


Lets call it "Snuhwolf's Edict".


^_^


But it did make a great siggy, eh?

Its not kewl to quote yerself in a sigfile.

It would generally take a person 5-7 years before they could

work
year round. 10-12 before they could work regular jobs on a

temporay
basis. and 20 plus to hold any sort of regular job on a year

round
basis.

Railroad reschedual work on a need be basis (within the scope

of
the
union contracts) so their is a big degree of non-control. They

are
subject tot he demands and needs of the shippers.

Floriduh just gave CSX a big huge contract.

good

bad for the everglades or something, iirc.
or it takes from the general fund and the poor need the money

more.



Deaf as hell but no breathing problems...he didnt know

who the
****
I
was
later since he was all alzheimersy & stuff.

My dad died from lung cancer (both Small Cell Carcinoma

and
Metastasized melanoma.

Bummer...the smoke was it?

Asbestos and/or smoke.

Me-so-thee-lee-oh-ma.
nods

You got it.

Well I hope not

I hope so too. ugly way to go.

Libby Montana knows a thing or two about aSSbest0s...
**** WR Grace to hell.

Most all locomotive engineers from the diesel era still
suffer
hearing loss. Most all operating employees for

railroads
with
more
than 10 years of service have some hearing loss. About

ten
years
ago
the railroads started losing lawsuits over hearing

losses
and
started
a hearing conservation program. Too bad it was 27 years

too
late.

YEah...back in the day it was a macho job and you didnt

**** &
moan
about the conditions.

The ****ed and moaned even then. I've listen to those guys

all
my
life.

no...they laughed at management...but as for crying about

the
conditions?

Yep the ****ed and moaned about that too.

Well yer fambly wasn't "stoic" then.

all to often the conditions were what you could make them. the
trouble is most of the people were content to work in

substandard
conditions.

After the union busting in Bisbee Arizona in 1910 or
so...sure...beats getting
put on box cars, taken into the desert, and shot by thugs.

So much for freedom taken for granted, isn't it.

Union busting was a violent and oft forgotten part of american

history.
Trying to organise could get you killed, back in the day.


No real railroader would complain "its too tough".

Being gone most of the time? Missing their families? If it

wasn't
for
the "good money", they would have left.

My grandpa was lucky then. He worked one line and was home

often
enough...GNRY.

Dad was gone from home about 60% of the nights. The road work

had a
layover at the away from home point. It was almost like a

second
home
for him.

Did he have a second wife?


Only after he divorced his 1st wife.

Ouch.

I ran across a stat for operating crew marriage expectancy. They
usually last less than 10 years. We have one guy that's working on
his 7th marriage most are on their third... I'm still working on my
1st. The rate was 1:35 marriages last until retirement. 50% of new
marriage failing the 1st two years.

Possible solution: mormonism. Have a wife at each endpoint.
Problem *solved*.

I don't know if Flight Crews have the same problems?

Thats what the stewardesses ar for.


I wouldn't say that out loud, especially if I was going to fly in the
foreseeable future.

I'm betting theres a watch lits with my name already...

The stats might change now that the railroads started hiring and
training new employees. Most of the new hires are ex-military and
don't stay more than a year or so and most are divorced already.

Hopefully they wont be ptsd and have flashbacks.


Hopefully...

Just increase I have prepared a few signs with arrows. Directing
people to the management office's (invoking Garvin's Rule allow
management to take the all blame, all the time)

HR needs to keep busy.


Most new hires are still pumped up and brain washed. They do not

make
good employees.

Brain washed by what?


Military. Follow all instructions, without question.

Oh that. How many still act like that after they quit service?

Today the railroad has cut
its pay for new hires to 30%. Wages have effectively dropped
since
1985 to about 65% of what they were compared to pre-1985.

The
employees with seniority (like me) have made up for this by

just
working trips. I now work 25 days a month compared to the

18-19
days
I worked before 1985. The cry was a demand for more

productivity.
the
Grace commission of Ronnie agreed. The funny thing is while
productivity went up wages decreased. The number of working
employees
decreased and got the average age increased. this increased

the
health care costs and over the next 4 contracts the carriers
cried
about the increases to health care cost. (the fact the

employees
health care increases because of increase of work stress

also was
ignored.)

I ****ing hated Reagan.
His passing made me smile

The only thing was he never felt the pain he caused. The idiot
would
cut firewood for fun. did he realize his actions created a

group of
people that were cutting firewood just to feed their families.

He lived in a lovely 1950's family show that played in his head.
The world to him was just one big Leave It to Beaver episode.

or Father Knows Best. I think he felt himself more like Ozzie

Nelson.
If you watch the way he spoke, it was much of the same phrase

tempo.


Some of the nicest people are really assholes.

^_^

I've heard that. But then I don't thing they are that nice to start
with. How can you tell what an actor's real character is like.

Take away his script?


Some can act impromptu, ad lib and improvise.

Ronny slept a lot. When he was awake it was 1950...all over again.
Mainly because alzheimers victims cant rmember anything in the *recent*
past so they go back to what they know & rememebr.

Biggest complaints from crews which still use those 1st

and
2nd
generation locomotives, noise and exhaust fumes in the

cab.

Ever seen a track weasel?

I seen just about everything. including the look on a kids

face
just
after he finally looked up and saw the locomotive, just

before
it
hit
him.

Ugh. Musta been a deaf kid.

Nope, listening to his ipod at full volume.

Holy shnikeies!!!

I just said "****!"

Sad.

It was.

When the conductor and brakemen went back to look, then

found his
Ipod laying near the impact sight, still playing at full

volume.
He was listening to some sort of Rap.

ZOMGZ! I *knew* it! "Rap kills".

That's a valid assumption.

It wasn't the train that killed him, it was the Rap!

Ipods are dangerous and should be banned.
nods

Well, I use an mp3 player to feed my music selections into the

Car or
Boats music player. I have an 80 gb device. It also works as a

spare
back-up. stores my Navigation Maps/RIS files.

Counseled use.

User beware doing *this* could result in *bad* things.


Ban in-car video screens in the front seat area.
OOPS! There goes the OnStar screen in moms caddy.


and those GPS units.

Only if they are voice operated or heads-up on the windsheild

projection
type. Heads up displays like in fighter aircraft should have made it

to
cars by now....really.


Really. Stuff life speedo should have been there already.

I think theres a heads up display in a bmw or something...

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  #184  
Old January 26th 09, 03:06 AM posted to alt.fan.bertie-the-bunyip,rec.aviation.piloting,alt.disasters.aviation
Bertie the Bunyip[_28_]
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Default Maxie begins a new kook-out.was: what do Okies eat anyhow?

攸hw不f wrote in news:KKSdnSVXEOL-
:

Bertie the Bunyip pinched out a steaming pile
:

攸hw不f wrote in
news:[email protected] .net:

Bertie the Bunyip pinched out a steaming pile
:

攸hw不f wrote in
:

In message , Bertie

the
Bunyip wrote:
攸hw不f wrote in news:l_WdnfjqXdGNd-
:

Bob Officer pinched out a steaming pile
:

On Fri, 23 Jan 2009 01:00:35 +0000 (UTC), in alt.usenet.kooks,
Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

攸hw不f wrote in
news:[email protected] l.net:

Bertie the Bunyip pinched out a

steaming
pile :

攸hw不f wrote in
:

In message ,

Bob
Officer
wrote:
On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 09:31:50 -0600, in alt.usenet.kooks,
攸hw不f
wrote:

Bob Officer pinched out a

steaming
pile :

On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 09:31:29 -0600, in

alt.usenet.kooks,
攸hw不f
wrote:

Bob Officer pinched out a
steaming
pile
:

On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 18:20:16 +0000 (UTC), in
alt.usenet.kooks,
Bertie
the Bunyip wrote:

攸hw不f wrote in
news:t96dnQfJw-

:

Bertie the Bunyip pinched out

a
steaming
pile
:

"Scott M. Kozel" wrote in
news:gkvte8$eth$1 @news.motzarella.org:

攸hw不f wrote:

I propose a technological solution to the

problem
of
bird
strikes:
turboprops.
Lets return to the good old days pre-jet

engines.

Well ... while the L-188 Lockheed Electra

example
is
a
turboprop,
the
above poster apparently didn't realize that a
turboprop engine
has a
jet
engine.

Discuss.

The large piston engines were incredibly

complex,
and generally
could
drive airliners at only about half the speed of
those
with
the
pure
jet
engines.


yes, but they were so much more fun


Bertie

Ok ok...totally *genius* idea: dirigibles.

Excellent. I'll sign on for a course.


Yeah, think on that for a while.

Its either that or the locomotive, chaps.

Only if it's a real one. i.e. Steam

No! Hell no!

And what pray tell is wrong with steam?

Steam locomotives? Everything.

Well man spit it out! Lets not play guessing games here!

Have you ever been on a working steam locomotive?

Not while its running.

They are very dirty (producing soot and ash. Very noisy.
(usually
about 90-105 dB. They get louder under full power)

Yeap. Coal fired mostly.

Most all locomotive engineers from the steam era were

deaf.
and suffered breathing problems.

My granpa was one
Deaf as hell but no breathing problems...he didnt know who
the
****
I
was later since he was all alzheimersy & stuff.

Most all locomotive engineers from the diesel era still
suffer hearing loss. Most all operating employees for
railroads with
more
than 10 years of service have some hearing loss. About

ten
years
ago
the railroads started losing lawsuits over hearing losses
and
started
a hearing conservation program. Too bad it was 27 years

too
late.

YEah...back in the day it was a macho job and you didnt

****
&
moan
about the conditions.

Biggest complaints from crews which still use those 1st

and
2nd generation locomotives, noise and exhaust fumes in

the
cab.

Ever seen a track weasel?


Mm, no. I seem to remeber hearing the term, though. What is
it?


back in the olden days the trains toilet dumped straight

onto
the tracks...the TP that persisted was called a "track
weasel".




OK never heard of that. ANd now it's lodged in my head

forever.
When will I learn?

Would the same thing happen if the blue ice sublimated leaving
only
the residue floating in the air?

Didnt airlines used to just dump straight out the plane?
IIRC people & things were getting hit with GIANT ICEY TURD-

CUBES.

shudder


Well, yes and no. There was a vent that sometimes woudl develop

an
icicle, but it wasn't supposed to do that!

MOMMY MOMMY I FOUND A COMET!!!111!!!!

Do aliens use tampons???


What didyou think comets were? Surely the big string trailing behind
gave you a clue?


Its cosmic poop...

0_0

Or, a new Okie delicacy.


WITH A SIDE OF KUDZU!!!!!1111!!!!!


And tar,


Bertie
  #185  
Old January 26th 09, 03:17 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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What is this ****?
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Private Attorney General


They don't let them have matches or toothpicks in the Institution so
this provides an outlet for the OCD impaired.
  #186  
Old January 26th 09, 04:33 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,alt.usenet.kooks
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Posts: 41
Default Maxie begins a new kook-out.were.... Airliner crashes into Hudson River after LGA departure

Bob Officer pinched out a steaming pile
:

On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 10:01:20 -0600, in alt.usenet.kooks, 攸hw不f
wrote:

Bob Officer pinched out a steaming pile
:
[....]


It would generally take a person 5-7 years before they could

work
year round. 10-12 before they could work regular jobs on a

temporay
basis. and 20 plus to hold any sort of regular job on a year

round
basis.

Railroad reschedual work on a need be basis (within the

scope
of
the
union contracts) so their is a big degree of non-control.

They
are
subject tot he demands and needs of the shippers.

Floriduh just gave CSX a big huge contract.

good

bad for the everglades or something, iirc.
or it takes from the general fund and the poor need the money

more.



Deaf as hell but no breathing problems...he didnt know

who the
****
I
was
later since he was all alzheimersy & stuff.

My dad died from lung cancer (both Small Cell Carcinoma

and
Metastasized melanoma.

Bummer...the smoke was it?

Asbestos and/or smoke.

Me-so-thee-lee-oh-ma.
nods

You got it.

Well I hope not

I hope so too. ugly way to go.

Libby Montana knows a thing or two about aSSbest0s...
**** WR Grace to hell.

Most all locomotive engineers from the diesel era

still
suffer
hearing loss. Most all operating employees for

railroads
with
more
than 10 years of service have some hearing loss.

About
ten
years
ago
the railroads started losing lawsuits over hearing

losses
and
started
a hearing conservation program. Too bad it was 27

years
too
late.

YEah...back in the day it was a macho job and you didnt

**** &
moan
about the conditions.

The ****ed and moaned even then. I've listen to those

guys
all
my
life.

no...they laughed at management...but as for crying about

the
conditions?

Yep the ****ed and moaned about that too.

Well yer fambly wasn't "stoic" then.

all to often the conditions were what you could make them.

the
trouble is most of the people were content to work in

substandard
conditions.

After the union busting in Bisbee Arizona in 1910 or
so...sure...beats getting
put on box cars, taken into the desert, and shot by thugs.

So much for freedom taken for granted, isn't it.

Union busting was a violent and oft forgotten part of american

history.
Trying to organise could get you killed, back in the day.


No real railroader would complain "its too tough".

Being gone most of the time? Missing their families? If it

wasn't
for
the "good money", they would have left.

My grandpa was lucky then. He worked one line and was home

often
enough...GNRY.

Dad was gone from home about 60% of the nights. The road

work
had a
layover at the away from home point. It was almost like a

second
home
for him.

Did he have a second wife?


Only after he divorced his 1st wife.

Ouch.

I ran across a stat for operating crew marriage expectancy. They
usually last less than 10 years. We have one guy that's working

on
his 7th marriage most are on their third... I'm still working on

my
1st. The rate was 1:35 marriages last until retirement. 50% of

new
marriage failing the 1st two years.

Possible solution: mormonism. Have a wife at each endpoint.
Problem *solved*.

I don't know if Flight Crews have the same problems?

Thats what the stewardesses ar for.

I wouldn't say that out loud, especially if I was going to fly in

the
foreseeable future.

I'm betting theres a watch lits with my name already...


Keep a low profile... :-)

Sure, I'm totally hiding out on usenet.

G00gle "atrios" radio, you might like it

The stats might change now that the railroads started hiring and
training new employees. Most of the new hires are ex-military and
don't stay more than a year or so and most are divorced already.

Hopefully they wont be ptsd and have flashbacks.


Hopefully...

Just increase I have prepared a few signs with arrows. Directing
people to the management office's (invoking Garvin's Rule allow
management to take the all blame, all the time)

HR needs to keep busy.


That reminds me of a joke I once was told...

Nice cliffhanger.

Most new hires are still pumped up and brain washed. They do not

make
good employees.

Brain washed by what?

Military. Follow all instructions, without question.

Oh that. How many still act like that after they quit service?


Some do, it takes ages for them to start to think again. Some never
really escape.

They wind up living under bridges since the VA dosent give a ****.

Today the railroad has cut
its pay for new hires to 30%. Wages have effectively

dropped
since
1985 to about 65% of what they were compared to pre-1985.

The
employees with seniority (like me) have made up for this

by
just
working trips. I now work 25 days a month compared to the

18-19
days
I worked before 1985. The cry was a demand for more

productivity.
the
Grace commission of Ronnie agreed. The funny thing is

while
productivity went up wages decreased. The number of

working
employees
decreased and got the average age increased. this

increased
the
health care costs and over the next 4 contracts the

carriers
cried
about the increases to health care cost. (the fact the

employees
health care increases because of increase of work stress

also was
ignored.)

I ****ing hated Reagan.
His passing made me smile

The only thing was he never felt the pain he caused. The

idiot
would
cut firewood for fun. did he realize his actions created a

group of
people that were cutting firewood just to feed their

families.

He lived in a lovely 1950's family show that played in his

head.
The world to him was just one big Leave It to Beaver episode.

or Father Knows Best. I think he felt himself more like Ozzie

Nelson.
If you watch the way he spoke, it was much of the same phrase

tempo.


Some of the nicest people are really assholes.

^_^

I've heard that. But then I don't thing they are that nice to

start
with. How can you tell what an actor's real character is like.

Take away his script?

Some can act impromptu, ad lib and improvise.

Ronny slept a lot. When he was awake it was 1950...all over again.
Mainly because alzheimers victims cant rmember anything in the

*recent*
past so they go back to what they know & rememebr.


Father knows best, leave it to beaver, and ozzie and harriet (they
were on radio before TV). all considered mainstream "family shows"
Dad's worked in office's and mothers keep house. It wasn't ever a
depiction of Standard American Life.

It was a depicton of an *ideal*, not a 100% reality.


Biggest complaints from crews which still use those

1st
and
2nd
generation locomotives, noise and exhaust fumes in

the
cab.

Ever seen a track weasel?

I seen just about everything. including the look on a

kids
face
just
after he finally looked up and saw the locomotive, just

before
it
hit
him.

Ugh. Musta been a deaf kid.

Nope, listening to his ipod at full volume.

Holy shnikeies!!!

I just said "****!"

Sad.

It was.

When the conductor and brakemen went back to look, then

found his
Ipod laying near the impact sight, still playing at full

volume.
He was listening to some sort of Rap.

ZOMGZ! I *knew* it! "Rap kills".

That's a valid assumption.

It wasn't the train that killed him, it was the Rap!

Ipods are dangerous and should be banned.
nods

Well, I use an mp3 player to feed my music selections into the

Car or
Boats music player. I have an 80 gb device. It also works as a

spare
back-up. stores my Navigation Maps/RIS files.

Counseled use.

User beware doing *this* could result in *bad* things.


Ban in-car video screens in the front seat area.
OOPS! There goes the OnStar screen in moms caddy.


and those GPS units.

Only if they are voice operated or heads-up on the windsheild

projection
type. Heads up displays like in fighter aircraft should have made

it
to
cars by now....really.

Really. Stuff life speedo should have been there already.

I think theres a heads up display in a bmw or something...


cars for people that think their car shows their status...

It should be a standard item.

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http://www.bds-palestine.net/?q=node/9
___ ___ ___ ___
/\__\ /\ \ /\ \ /\ \
/:/ _/_ \:\ \ \:\ \ \:\ \
/:/ /\ \ \:\ \ \:\ \ \:\ \
/:/ /::\ \ _____\:\ \ ___ \:\ \ ___ /::\ \
/:/_/:/\:\__\ /::::::::\__\ /\ \ \:\__\ /\ /:/\:\__\
\:\/:/ /:/ / \:\~~\~~\/__/ \:\ \ /:/ / \:\/:/ \/__/
\::/ /:/ / \:\ \ \:\ /:/ / \::/__/
\/_/:/ / \:\ \ \:\/:/ / \:\ \
/:/ / \:\__\ \::/ / \:\__\
  #187  
Old January 26th 09, 11:37 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,alt.usenet.kooks
攸hw不f[_2_]
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 41
Default Maxie begins a new kook-out.were.... Airliner crashes into Hudson River after LGA departure

Bob Officer pinched out a steaming pile
:

On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 09:33:52 -0600, in alt.usenet.kooks, 攸hw不f
wrote:

Bob Officer pinched out a steaming pile
:

On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 10:01:20 -0600, in alt.usenet.kooks, 攸hw不f
wrote:

Bob Officer pinched out a steaming pile
:
[....]


It would generally take a person 5-7 years before they

could
work
year round. 10-12 before they could work regular jobs on a
temporay
basis. and 20 plus to hold any sort of regular job on a

year
round
basis.

Railroad reschedual work on a need be basis (within the

scope
of
the
union contracts) so their is a big degree of non-control.

They
are
subject tot he demands and needs of the shippers.

Floriduh just gave CSX a big huge contract.

good

bad for the everglades or something, iirc.
or it takes from the general fund and the poor need the money
more.



Deaf as hell but no breathing problems...he didnt

know
who the
****
I
was
later since he was all alzheimersy & stuff.

My dad died from lung cancer (both Small Cell

Carcinoma
and
Metastasized melanoma.

Bummer...the smoke was it?

Asbestos and/or smoke.

Me-so-thee-lee-oh-ma.
nods

You got it.

Well I hope not

I hope so too. ugly way to go.

Libby Montana knows a thing or two about aSSbest0s...
**** WR Grace to hell.

Most all locomotive engineers from the diesel era

still
suffer
hearing loss. Most all operating employees for
railroads
with
more
than 10 years of service have some hearing loss.

About
ten
years
ago
the railroads started losing lawsuits over hearing
losses
and
started
a hearing conservation program. Too bad it was 27

years
too
late.

YEah...back in the day it was a macho job and you

didnt
**** &
moan
about the conditions.

The ****ed and moaned even then. I've listen to those

guys
all
my
life.

no...they laughed at management...but as for crying

about
the
conditions?

Yep the ****ed and moaned about that too.

Well yer fambly wasn't "stoic" then.

all to often the conditions were what you could make them.

the
trouble is most of the people were content to work in
substandard
conditions.

After the union busting in Bisbee Arizona in 1910 or
so...sure...beats getting
put on box cars, taken into the desert, and shot by thugs.

So much for freedom taken for granted, isn't it.

Union busting was a violent and oft forgotten part of american
history.
Trying to organise could get you killed, back in the day.


No real railroader would complain "its too tough".

Being gone most of the time? Missing their families? If

it
wasn't
for
the "good money", they would have left.

My grandpa was lucky then. He worked one line and was

home
often
enough...GNRY.

Dad was gone from home about 60% of the nights. The road

work
had a
layover at the away from home point. It was almost like a
second
home
for him.

Did he have a second wife?


Only after he divorced his 1st wife.

Ouch.

I ran across a stat for operating crew marriage expectancy.

They
usually last less than 10 years. We have one guy that's working

on
his 7th marriage most are on their third... I'm still working

on
my
1st. The rate was 1:35 marriages last until retirement. 50% of

new
marriage failing the 1st two years.

Possible solution: mormonism. Have a wife at each endpoint.
Problem *solved*.

I don't know if Flight Crews have the same problems?

Thats what the stewardesses ar for.

I wouldn't say that out loud, especially if I was going to fly in

the
foreseeable future.

I'm betting theres a watch lits with my name already...

Keep a low profile... :-)

Sure, I'm totally hiding out on usenet.

G00gle "atrios" radio, you might like it


I will, right now we are getting ready to sail back to Kehi.
It will only be a few hours sail. but it will take most of the day to
pack and clean the boat for long term non-use.

Scrape off the zebra mussels...

I have to fly back to reality Thursday.

What time zone is that in?

The stats might change now that the railroads started hiring

and
training new employees. Most of the new hires are ex-military

and
don't stay more than a year or so and most are divorced

already.

Hopefully they wont be ptsd and have flashbacks.


Hopefully...

Just increase I have prepared a few signs with arrows. Directing
people to the management office's (invoking Garvin's Rule allow
management to take the all blame, all the time)

HR needs to keep busy.

That reminds me of a joke I once was told...

Nice cliffhanger.


IT is... Isn't it.

you *******.

Most new hires are still pumped up and brain washed. They do

not
make
good employees.

Brain washed by what?

Military. Follow all instructions, without question.

Oh that. How many still act like that after they quit service?

Some do, it takes ages for them to start to think again. Some never
really escape.

They wind up living under bridges since the VA dosent give a ****.


Or just commit suicide by cop.
PTSD takes so many of them.

And alcohol/drug abuse the rest.

After WW2, one of my dad's best friends ended up being killed during
one of those flashbacks. Another became so bad an alky, he couldn't
function. At his funerals, I got to read some of the commendations he
got and the events for which he earned his medals. There were nine
other people at his funeral... sad. He died at home alone and drunk.
He drank himself to death.

The cost of war...

Today the railroad has cut
its pay for new hires to 30%. Wages have effectively

dropped
since
1985 to about 65% of what they were compared to pre-

1985.
The
employees with seniority (like me) have made up for this

by
just
working trips. I now work 25 days a month compared to

the
18-19
days
I worked before 1985. The cry was a demand for more
productivity.
the
Grace commission of Ronnie agreed. The funny thing is

while
productivity went up wages decreased. The number of

working
employees
decreased and got the average age increased. this

increased
the
health care costs and over the next 4 contracts the

carriers
cried
about the increases to health care cost. (the fact the
employees
health care increases because of increase of work stress
also was
ignored.)

I ****ing hated Reagan.
His passing made me smile

The only thing was he never felt the pain he caused. The

idiot
would
cut firewood for fun. did he realize his actions created a
group of
people that were cutting firewood just to feed their

families.

He lived in a lovely 1950's family show that played in his

head.
The world to him was just one big Leave It to Beaver

episode.

or Father Knows Best. I think he felt himself more like Ozzie
Nelson.
If you watch the way he spoke, it was much of the same phrase
tempo.


Some of the nicest people are really assholes.

^_^

I've heard that. But then I don't thing they are that nice to

start
with. How can you tell what an actor's real character is like.

Take away his script?

Some can act impromptu, ad lib and improvise.

Ronny slept a lot. When he was awake it was 1950...all over again.
Mainly because alzheimers victims cant rmember anything in the

*recent*
past so they go back to what they know & rememebr.

Father knows best, leave it to beaver, and ozzie and harriet (they
were on radio before TV). all considered mainstream "family shows"
Dad's worked in office's and mothers keep house. It wasn't ever a
depiction of Standard American Life.

It was a depicton of an *ideal*, not a 100% reality.


What part of it was ideal? Dad's that went tired after a day of work?
Mothers that cooked every meal and wore dresses, pearls and high
heals to clean the house?

Home ownership, the company man, a chicken in every pot and a *dodge*
in the garage...compared to single parent families where theres a good
chance the food stamps are necessary, I'd say the recovery period post
WW2 was pretty prosperous...for more americans than now.

Biggest complaints from crews which still use those

1st
and
2nd
generation locomotives, noise and exhaust fumes in

the
cab.

Ever seen a track weasel?

I seen just about everything. including the look on a

kids
face
just
after he finally looked up and saw the locomotive,

just
before
it
hit
him.

Ugh. Musta been a deaf kid.

Nope, listening to his ipod at full volume.

Holy shnikeies!!!

I just said "****!"

Sad.

It was.

When the conductor and brakemen went back to look, then
found his
Ipod laying near the impact sight, still playing at full
volume.
He was listening to some sort of Rap.

ZOMGZ! I *knew* it! "Rap kills".

That's a valid assumption.

It wasn't the train that killed him, it was the Rap!

Ipods are dangerous and should be banned.
nods

Well, I use an mp3 player to feed my music selections into

the
Car or
Boats music player. I have an 80 gb device. It also works as

a
spare
back-up. stores my Navigation Maps/RIS files.

Counseled use.

User beware doing *this* could result in *bad* things.


Ban in-car video screens in the front seat area.
OOPS! There goes the OnStar screen in moms caddy.


and those GPS units.

Only if they are voice operated or heads-up on the windsheild
projection
type. Heads up displays like in fighter aircraft should have made

it
to
cars by now....really.

Really. Stuff life speedo should have been there already.

I think theres a heads up display in a bmw or something...

cars for people that think their car shows their status...

It should be a standard item.


The standard should have been something developed years ago. in the
60's the Barrett Burried Guidance System was developed as a concept.
The implementation has been doable for years. Not to implement it
now, is just silly. This could control traffic, and actually stop
people from exceeding the safe speed for any corridor.


Volvo has a new crash avoidance system that looks pretty impressive...


--
http://www.bds-palestine.net/?q=node/9
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/:/ /\ \ \:\ \ \:\ \ \:\ \
/:/ /::\ \ _____\:\ \ ___ \:\ \ ___ /::\ \
/:/_/:/\:\__\ /::::::::\__\ /\ \ \:\__\ /\ /:/\:\__\
\:\/:/ /:/ / \:\~~\~~\/__/ \:\ \ /:/ / \:\/:/ \/__/
\::/ /:/ / \:\ \ \:\ /:/ / \::/__/
\/_/:/ / \:\ \ \:\/:/ / \:\ \
/:/ / \:\__\ \::/ / \:\__\
 




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