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At 18:06 10 August 2003, Nolaminar wrote:
Has anyone ever experienced an FAA Ramp Check when involved with soaring? Any such experience at a meet or competiotion. Yup. 15-Meter Nationals at Tonopah. One pilot randomly selected by the inspector was asked to pull out of the take-off line until the crew could return with the guy's pilot certificate, which had been left at the hotel 'for safekeeping.' Judy |
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"Mark James Boyd" wrote in message ... The FAA recently came by to inspect our rental PA-28-181 Archer. We asked for ID, the two inspectors provided it, and they went through the books and papers and placards. The only deficiency was a missing "compass correction card." We called the owner, and he described where it was (on the panel, not below the compass). That was it, and they left. A week later the FAA sent us a letter saying the plane had passed just fine and thanking us for being cooperative. I wonder how a 2-33 would fare in the same inspection. The only required equipment at the time of manufacture was an ASI (if one believes the dog-eared POH). But the part 91 VFR rules currently want an altimeter and compass as well. I must say I would be a bit taken aback if I was in line for launch and was pulled off the line for a missing compass correction card. Mark Boyd TRIVIA TO FOLLOW P.S. The Taylorcraft BC-12D was certified for IFR flight using only needle, ball, and airspeed (see the POH). But current part 91 IFR rules obviously require more. Some gliders also say "cloud flying permitted" in the POH. I'd consider it a no-no, but I suppose a very rich person could install the part 91 required equipment to make a glider IFR. I've gotten blocks of airspace and altitude before in a power plane, so maybe this could be done legally, but what a hassle! I suspect there are quite a few glider pilots that cloud fly occasionally well away from airways and airspace. I have heard of one midair between two gliders in the clouds, however, where both circled in a thermal. Ouch! There have been some IFR equipped gliders (IIRC, Carl Herold's old Nimbus was so equipped and flown under IFR frequently. Don't know if his newer one is so equipped). WRT the collision, perhaps you are referring to the mid-air in cloud at the World's in the former Yugoslavia, though there may be others. Having flown in clouds in the UK in both thermal and wave, I found it both an interesting and exciting aspect of soaring. FWIW, when the UK pilots fly comps on the Continent, they have to remove their Bohli compasses, in addition to any horizon and T/S. Frank Whiteley |
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The FAA recently came by to inspect our rental PA-28-181 Archer.
We asked for ID, the two inspectors provided it, and they went through the books and papers and placards. The only deficiency was a missing "compass correction card." We called the owner, and he described where it was (on the panel, not below the compass). That was it, and they left. A week later the FAA sent us a letter saying the plane had passed just fine and thanking us for being cooperative. I wonder how a 2-33 would fare in the same inspection. The only required equipment at the time of manufacture was an ASI (if one believes the dog-eared POH). But the part 91 VFR rules currently want an altimeter and compass as well. I must say I would be a bit taken aback if I was in line for launch and was pulled off the line for a missing compass correction card. Mark Boyd TRIVIA TO FOLLOW P.S. The Taylorcraft BC-12D was certified for IFR flight using only needle, ball, and airspeed (see the POH). But current part 91 IFR rules obviously require more. Some gliders also say "cloud flying permitted" in the POH. I'd consider it a no-no, but I suppose a very rich person could install the part 91 required equipment to make a glider IFR. I've gotten blocks of airspace and altitude before in a power plane, so maybe this could be done legally, but what a hassle! I suspect there are quite a few glider pilots that cloud fly occasionally well away from airways and airspace. I have heard of one midair between two gliders in the clouds, however, where both circled in a thermal. Ouch! |
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"F.L. Whiteley" wrote:
"Mark James Boyd" wrote in message ... Some gliders also say "cloud flying permitted" in the POH. I'd consider it a no-no, but I suppose a very rich person could install the part 91 required equipment to make a glider IFR. Cloud flying is forbidden in the USA, however, it's allowed in many European countries. The procedures vary from country to country. Having flown in clouds in the UK in both thermal and wave, I found it both an interesting and exciting aspect of soaring. FWIW, when the UK pilots fly comps on the Continent, they have to remove their Bohli compasses, in addition to any horizon and T/S. In contests, cloud flying is generally forbidden. To enforce this, the horizon and the needle (but not the compass) must be removed or covered and sealed. The reason is that in contests, pilots would routinely violate separation rules, resulting in midairs. Stefan |
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I wonder how a 2-33 would fare in the same inspection.
The only required equipment at the time of manufacture was an ASI (if one believes the dog-eared POH). But the part 91 VFR rules currently want an altimeter and compass as well. Not true. - Rich Carr |
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I wonder how a 2-33 would fare in the same inspection.
The only required equipment at the time of manufacture was an ASI (if one believes the dog-eared POH). But the part 91 VFR rules currently want an altimeter and compass as well. Not true. From page 1-2 of the Schweizer 2-33 sailplane flight-erection-maintenance manual, form F-114 (General Description section): "6. Instruments: Front only - ASI is required. Additional instruments may be added, up to a full panel, as desired. NOTE: Instrument flight is prohibited, regardless of instrumentation." From 91.205 "powered civil aircraft with a standard category U.S. airworthiness certificate" Aha! The VFR requirements apply to POWERED aircraft. I stand corrected. Like the ELT, I am fortunate that someone has forced me to consult the regs carefully... Thank you... Mark Boyd |
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"Michael" wrote in message om... Stefan "stefan"@mus. INVALID .ch wrote Cloud flying is forbidden in the USA This is not correct. Cloud flying is permitted in the USA, in controlled airspace on an IFR flight plan or in uncontrolled airspace with no flight plan. There's not much uncontrolled airspace suitable for cloud flying, though. There are pilot certification and recency of experience requirements in Part 61. More explicitly, an Instrument Rating is required for the pilot. |
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I have had one-on-one discussions with ATC supervisors about the
possibilities of cloud flights and came away with the impression that they (ATC) would do all they could to make such flights possible - if you played by their rules. Not very likely to be able to follow ATC's rules. You have to be on an instrument flight plan and ATC would expect you to hold heading and altitude. You also would have to be transponder equiped. ATC will work with you and it is possible to educate them of your needs but they are not used to gliders and if other traffic is in the area ATC is not likely to let you not hold heading and alt. |
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"Shaber CJ" wrote in message ... I have had one-on-one discussions with ATC supervisors about the possibilities of cloud flights and came away with the impression that they (ATC) would do all they could to make such flights possible - if you played by their rules. Not very likely to be able to follow ATC's rules. You have to be on an instrument flight plan and ATC would expect you to hold heading and altitude. You also would have to be transponder equiped. ATC will work with you and it is possible to educate them of your needs but they are not used to gliders and if other traffic is in the area ATC is not likely to let you not hold heading and alt. Actually, creative use of "cruise" clearances which allow altitude changes within an assigned altitude band and course deviations for "weather" can allow a glider pilot almost total freedom within the ATC system. A variant of the cruise clearance is "climb while holding" which permits a climb in cloud with guaranteed separation from all other traffic. It all depends on your relationship with the ATC facility. IFR flights are not as rigidly controlled as it would seem from the first reading of the FAA "Instrument Flying Handbook". There are areas of the USA where IFR traffic is very sparse and consequently, controllers get very bored. Some of them look at handling gliders as a welcome diversion. Even so, it takes a very skilled and disciplined pilot to make all this work - and, yes, you need a Mode C transponder in addition to all the other IFR goodies. Bill Daniels |
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