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Those *dangerous* Korean War relics
("Skywise" wrote)
Why the [#%&*] else would there be reparations if not to punish? There are two regular posters who (sometimes) use the F'enheimer. Maybe that number is now three? Enjoyed the 'heck' out of your post, otherwise. Montblack-not-blue |
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Those *dangerous* Korean War relics
"Skywise" wrote in message
... "Gary Drescher" wrote in : No, it's apparently based on your own misreading of your own post. Nothing in your original post referred to *punitive* reparations. Why the **** else would there be reparations if not to punish? Specific to this issue, slavery in America pre Civil War, what tangible property is to be returned? What other reason would there be (re slavery) for white people alive today to give *anything* to black people alive today? The only thing taken away from the blacks was their freedom. That has already been returned to them. Anything more is punative. You're being intentionally obtuse. One thing that was stolen from the slaves (and thereby from their descendents' inheritance) was the massive value of the slaves' forced labor; that was, after all, the whole point of slavery. And advocates of reparations explicitly make that argument. So even if you had some basis for disagreeing with that argument for making nonpunitive reparations, it *still* would not vindicate your assertion that anyone has been arguing that *punitive* reparations would be warranted against individuals alive today. The question of reparations is complex, and others in this thread have mentioned some factors that legitimately detract from the case for reparations. But your "punitive" misconstrual is not among those factors; rather, it is just a red herring. --Gary |
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Those *dangerous* Korean War relics
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"Gary Drescher" wrote: One thing that was stolen from the slaves (and thereby from their descendents' inheritance) [snip] The *potential* inheritance. Nobody's inheritance is guarenteed. -- Bob Noel Looking for a sig the lawyers will hate |
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The new record for "thread creep"
From derelict AA guns to Confederate rednecks? Wow, this has to be a
record G Neil Gould wrote: Recently, Jim Macklin posted: I said the people who fought on both sides of the Civil War were honorable people. You've also said that slavery was wrong. How can one be "honorable" if one is fighting to preserve something that is wrong? I've never been a "redneck with a Confederate flag" on my car. I do not have any desire to own slaves, but I don't have any false ideas about why slavery existed either. I didn't accuse you of being a redneck, etc... I'm just curious about how you're framing your notions of honor and equating real slavery to a lack of vision about one's options, as in the example you gave about low wage earners in company towns. Neil |
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The new record for "thread creep"
Recently, Kingfish posted:
From derelict AA guns to Confederate rednecks? Wow, this has to be a record G Not really... both can neatly fall under the category of "Those 'Dangerous' Korean War relics". ;-) Neil |
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The new record for "thread creep"
("Neil Gould" wrote)
Not really... both can neatly fall under the category of "Those 'Dangerous' Korean War relics". ;-) I believe the Yanks fought on The South's side in that one. g Montblack |
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Those *dangerous* Korean War relics
wrote in message oups.com... You mean like the way the Bill of Rights was not properly ratified? In what way was the Bill of Rights not properly ratified? Eminent domain has been (ab)used for that purpose since before the Constitution was adopted. I've been opposed to the practice since first becoming aware of in the early 1970s. But I am not so dishonest as to argue that it is unConstitutional, or something new. Indeed, I am astonished that a case disputed centuries old settled law got to the USSC It is pretty hard to see how an arugment can be made that a prohibiton of confiscation of property WITHOUT just compensation does not implicitly permit confiscation WITH just compensation. "Just compensation" is not enough. The Fifth Amendment says private property shall not be taken FOR PUBLIC USE without just compensation. |
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Those *dangerous* Korean War relics
wrote in message ps.com... Aside from the language prohibiting individual states from enterring into a confederation. That applies to states within the union, not to former states that had seceded from it. Seceding first, and enterring into a confederation later is an intellectually dishonest shell game, not an action that is permissible under the Constitution. Nonsense. |
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Those *dangerous* Korean War relics
"Skywise" wrote in message ... I'll second that. I'm sick and tired of the descendents of the slaves demanding recompense (in whatever form) from the descendents of the slave owners. Were you personally enslaved? Were you personally a slave owner? I thought not. Remember the past, yes, but get over it. Are the descendents of the slaves demanding recompense from only the descendents of the slave owners? I thought the reparations effort was to gain compensation from the federal government, which would presumably obtain it from general revenue. That would have all taxpayers paying reparations, not just those that are descended from slave owners. |
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Those *dangerous* Korean War relics
"Jim Macklin" wrote in message news:tcqgg.26072$ZW3.9062@dukeread04... I can't think of his name right now, but there is a black reporter for the Wall Street Journal who wrote a book about how glad his ancestors were slaves in America, so he doesn't have to live in Africa. I'm not aware of any book like that, but Walter Williams has often pointed out that the descendants of slaves in the US today benefited from the slave trade because their ancestors were removed from Africa and brought to what is now the US. |
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