Trouble ahead over small plane fees

On 2006-04-11, Bob Noel wrote:
Of course, this is speculation, but I get the feeling the FAA will just
look east to see how European countries treat GA.

Is GA a big source of funds for European countries?
How big a source relative to the airlines?

No it isn't - that's why it's utterly crap (and of course, they DON'T
count the fuel tax, which is already very high). So airlines have
bleated they are cross subsidising GA (and completely ignored the high
tax on avgas, and almost total lack of tax on Jet-A) and since the CAA
only listens to the airlines, GA gets shafted to make it 'fairer'.

Meanwhile, when airlines need to use GA (for things like training) they
send their students abroad to dodge the fees they lobbied for.

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Dave Stadt wrote:

Trouble is politicians love bureaucracy. If it costs $2.00 to collect $1.00
that's just fine by them.

We just got a bill for $6 for a landing @ BDR, back in January.

I can't believe the $6 covers the cost of collecting the money.

EZ-Pass for aircraft? As you fly over the threshhold, your account is
debited? G

Skywise wrote:

I only needed to get this far to go "HUH?!?!"

The airlines don't know how to run their business. So instead of
changing their business model, or passing the costs on to their
customers, they want the gov't to stick it to a third party?

As Penn & Teller would say....BULL****!

And if the unsuspecting public actually believes that airline ticket prices
will immediately drop 7.5% the day this tax goes away, they are wise to
send their toy list to Santa Clause.

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by "Dave Stadt" Apr 10, 2006 at 11:49 PM


already in place.

Trouble is politicians love bureaucracy. If it costs $2.00 to collect
$1.00
that's just fine by them. Just means they can create a bureaucracy to
determine how to create another bureaucracy to raise the $1.00 the first
bureaucracy came up short.



Solution is simple. Raise AV gas taxes to a level that covers the expense
associated with subsidizing thousands of GA airports. (Capital and
operating subsidies).

I can post the contribution of various revenue sources to the AIP (again).
As has already been demonstrated, AV gas taxes represent a tiny fraction.
Of course this FACT is not mentioned by the Destroyer or other advocates of
taxpayer subsidies for rec flying.

Solution is simple. Raise AV gas taxes to a level that covers the expense
associated with subsidizing thousands of GA airports.

So, do GA pilots then get a cut of the extra business we bring to the city?

Jose
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by Jose Apr 11, 2006 at 02:13 PM



So, do GA pilots then get a cut of the extra business we bring to the
city?

Jose



C'mon Jose, rhetorical questions are not your style. ;-)

Of course, the subsidies are not limited to federal subsidies. Off the
top of my head, state subsidies goto Worcester, Mass, and the Minneapolis
area GA airports are subsidized by the commercial airport.

As you know, a tax subsidy reduces the true price of a good, and
artificially increases demand. Econ 101.

Skylune wrote:

Solution is simple. Raise AV gas taxes to a level that covers the expense
associated with subsidizing thousands of GA airports. (Capital and
operating subsidies).

Where does that leave planes that use Mogas? How about jet fuel?

How do privately owned or municipal airports get a cut of the fuel tax?

What about joint-use civil / military fields?

So, do GA pilots then get a cut of the extra
business we bring to the city?
Of course, the subsidies are not limited to federal subsidies. Off the
top of my head, state subsidies goto

So, do GA pilots then get a cut of the extra business we bring to the state?

(See, I can do stuff that's not my style.

Jose
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On Tue, 11 Apr 2006 11:34:50 +0000, B A R R Y wrote:

EZ-Pass for aircraft? As you fly over the threshhold, your account is
debited? G


No G. Mode S.

- Andrew

by B A R R Y Apr 11, 2006 at 02:25 PM


Skylune wrote:

Solution is simple. Raise AV gas taxes to a level that covers the
expense
associated with subsidizing thousands of GA airports. (Capital and
operating subsidies).

Where does that leave planes that use Mogas? How about jet fuel?

How do privately owned or municipal airports get a cut of the fuel tax?

What about joint-use civil / military fields?



Municipal airports would get their slice if existing grant stucture is
maintained. They would just be paying their share.

Military is and should be taxpayer funded.

I think a better solution would be to zero out the federal subsidies to GA
airports, and let the airports compete in the marketplace, or let the
states or sponsoring municipalities provide the subsidies if there is
justification. Since GA is such an economic powerhouse, according to
Boyer, there should not be a problem.