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If you are referring to the issue where some of the preheater systems,
when if left on constantly caused moisture evaporated from the hotter parts of the engine to condense on the cooler parts (such as you listed) and cause corrosion, well maybe that occurs. The dryers simply blow dry air thru the crankcase eliminating (theoretically) moisture from initiating corrosion. I think that many of the articles we read in aviation publications take a very simplistic approach to research. I don't think the charge that if you leave a preheater on 24x7 it will cause corrosion has ever been proven or disproven adequately, as is also true with many other things we read. For instance, we are constantly told that water condenses in the oil in the crankcase and that we need to fly alot to boil it off. Well, I have done my oil changes for years (close to 40 oil changes by now) and I usually send a sample off for analysis. I usually drain the oil overnight, and I don't usually do it after flying but before, since I like to circulate the fresh oil through the engine, so the oil is cold from sitting up for a week or two and should have moisture in it according to common wisdom. However the analysis reports I get back from Blackstone never show any sign of moisture in the oil! WTH. But you might be right. I don't know for sure. Bud Dave Butler wrote: wrote: The 100 watt bulb trick is to merely place a drop cord with a 100 watt bulb inside the cowl while parked and leave it on 24x7. This was first suggested as a cheap and easy way to preheat, especially if 2 100 watt bulbs were used. Simply put plugs or rags or such in the cowl openings, place a blanket or 2 over the cowl, and while not as good as a good preheater, did keep the engine at a temp above the desired level. Aviation Consumer did an article on this in the past. They used the same trick when they were evaluating the dryers, and found that as with the preheaters, this trick did not perform as well as the devices designed for that purpose, but did keep moisture out of the crankcase. They found that this trick kept the air temp inside the crankcase from 5 to 10 deg above the dew point, so no moisture collected on the engine internals. I have to wonder whether the moisture evaporated from the above-dew-point crankcase distills out on the below-dew-point rocker arms and valve mechanism. |
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"Dave Butler" wrote in message ... wrote: The 100 watt bulb trick is to merely place a drop cord with a 100 watt bulb inside the cowl while parked and leave it on 24x7. This was first suggested as a cheap and easy way to preheat, especially if 2 100 watt bulbs were used. Simply put plugs or rags or such in the cowl openings, place a blanket or 2 over the cowl, and while not as good as a good preheater, did keep the engine at a temp above the desired level. Aviation Consumer did an article on this in the past. They used the same trick when they were evaluating the dryers, and found that as with the preheaters, this trick did not perform as well as the devices designed for that purpose, but did keep moisture out of the crankcase. They found that this trick kept the air temp inside the crankcase from 5 to 10 deg above the dew point, so no moisture collected on the engine internals. I have to wonder whether the moisture evaporated from the above-dew-point crankcase distills out on the below-dew-point rocker arms and valve mechanism. The point of the 100w bulb trick is to keep everything under the cowl (including the crankcase) a few degrees warmer than the outside environment to raise the under-cowl temp above the dewpoint. I don't see any way this technique could hurt. KB |
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Kyle Boatright wrote:
The point of the 100w bulb trick is to keep everything under the cowl (including the crankcase) a few degrees warmer than the outside environment to raise the under-cowl temp above the dewpoint. I don't see any way this technique could hurt. KB The argument is that if the oil in the sump contains significant moisture, it would be driven out by the heat and then condense on the upper engine parts, which are cooler. Consider boiling water on your stove in winter, you can get condensation on the stuff above your stovetop, even though its warmer than the rest of the kitchen - and it could be much colder outside the house. Not sure I buy it, but that's the argumet. -- |
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A co-worker had an O-360 jug at his workstation that had pronounced
corrosion on the bottom of the bore, thought to be from excessive use of a preheater. Strictly my opinion - I don't buy the need to run engines often to purge generated moisture. Engines don't produce moisture when they are standing still, only when they run. The crankcase becomes filled with blowby CO2 and water vapor during operation. As the crankcase cools, the water vapor condenses out & combines with any available nitrogen and sulfur oxides (and maybe lead etc compounds?) to form acids, which initiate the corrosion. Higher temperatures from always-on preheaters will accelerate the corrosion, doubling the corrosion rate every 18 deg F. What's needed is some way to get the crankcase purged of water vapor immediately after shutdown. I've now started using a small fan hung on the the oil dipstick spout to vent the crankcase out the breather pipe. Unfortunately since I started doing this at 1700 Hrs & 31 years since it was new, and don't expect to be overhauling the engine soon, I can't tell you if this will do any good, but the gases that come out smell really bad. My unheated hangar in N WI stays dry and warmer since the roof is fairly dark, so I never have trouble with external condensing moisture. Clean oil, proper starting, operating, and shutdown procedures, and storage conditions are important for engine life. An aircraft stored outside has a completely different set of problems though. |
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Robert M. Gary wrote: Also, from my personal experience the moisture is much more damaging to the avionics than anything else. If I don't fly on a regular bases in the winter, my #2 comm display acts strange. *** I keep two "Eva-Dry" dessicant pods in the airplane. These are plastic-cased units. They have a color-change window that tells you when they're full. And an internal heater so you can take them home and dry them out. I have a spare set that I keep at home. During the summer they last a month, in the rainy season more like a week. Since I started using the dessicants, the cockpit is always dry, no mustiness, no haze behind instrument faces and no avionics woes. - Jerry Kaidor |
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Robert M. Gary wrote: Also, from my personal experience the moisture is much more damaging to the avionics than anything else. If I don't fly on a regular bases in the winter, my #2 comm display acts strange. *** I keep two "Eva-Dry" dessicant pods in the airplane. These are plastic-cased units. They have a color-change window that tells you when they're full. And an internal heater so you can take them home and dry them out. I have a spare set that I keep at home. During the summer they last a month, in the rainy season more like a week. Since I started using the dessicants, the cockpit is always dry, no mustiness, no haze behind instrument faces and no avionics woes. - Jerry Kaidor |
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