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Stemme S12 in Michigan this Saturday, May 20th (KOZW) @ 4 pm



 
 
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Old May 22nd 17, 04:43 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Dan Marotta
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Default Stemme S12 in Michigan this Saturday, May 20th (KOZW) @ 4 pm

Ya! See my previous post with a link to my flight from Moriarty to
Nephi. 5+ hours between 17-18,000' MSL. 11.3 gallons... Sure beats
driving 12 hours dragging a trailer and I can fold the wings in 4
minutes (after spend about 5 to secure the pads on the back of the
fuselage).

On 5/22/2017 8:22 AM, Sean Fidler wrote:
I guess you get what you pay for. 😆

Arcus M is same price but the Stemme sits rigged in T hangar vs requiring a huge hangar to keep the Arcus (or similar) rigged, and needing tow out gear to get to the runway, etc. Depends on the mission I suppose. In my old age I'm getting tired of all the hassle. I just want to go.

Also, Arcus engine overheats and you can't cruise to the good condtions.

Interesting decisions.


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Old May 22nd 17, 05:08 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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Default Stemme S12 in Michigan this Saturday, May 20th (KOZW) @ 4 pm

Can the S12 be aerotowed or winched like a proper glider?
Believe the S10 did not have those options.
Jim
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Old May 22nd 17, 07:34 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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Default Stemme S12 in Michigan this Saturday, May 20th (KOZW) @ 4 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Vtn-32cvY8
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Old May 22nd 17, 08:27 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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Default Stemme S12 in Michigan this Saturday, May 20th (KOZW) @ 4 pm

Nice but I think I'll wait for the S14.
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Old May 23rd 17, 03:49 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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Default Stemme S12 in Michigan this Saturday, May 20th (KOZW) @ 4 pm

$250k for an Arcus with trailer and electronics and gear? That's not too bad. The Stemme S12 is 369k "loaded" up. A Cobra trailer is another 50k (2-3 hours to rig and derig). Few buy the trailer.

I finally got a chance to fly it today for a short cross country in 2-4 knots of broken, very narrow lift. It flew nicely, needed a little more of an act CG maybe. All operation is simple.The view out the canopy is absolutely extraordinary. Sitting side by side is a game changer. Roll rate was unsurprisingly sluggish but it climbed very, very well even in fairly broken thermals. The motor start is incredibly fast in flight. Literally a few seconds. Landed in a gusty 15-22 mph crosswind. Was not bad at all but requires experience for sure. Taxi is incredibly simple for a tail dragger. Really, really fun overall.

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Old May 23rd 17, 04:23 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Dan Marotta
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Default Stemme S12 in Michigan this Saturday, May 20th (KOZW) @ 4 pm

That's pretty much descriptive of my S10-VT which I've flown some 340
hours since last March.

Today I wanted to soar from Nephi to Logan but the conditions just
weren't there (clouds obscuring the mountain tops). So I simply started
the engine, climbed to 17,500' MSL, and flew directly over the SLC Class
B airspace (with a proper clearance). Arriving at Logan, configured for
landing, and about to turn base, my flying buddy, Miguel, came up on the
radio to ask if I'd arrive in the Logan area and told me that he was in
the ridge to the east. It took a matter of seconds to start the engine,
clean up the aircraft, and climb up to the ridge to join Miguel. After
landing, I simply started the engine and taxied to parking. No more
walking a mile to find the car and the tow bar!

On 5/22/2017 8:49 PM, Sean Fidler wrote:
$250k for an Arcus with trailer and electronics and gear? That's not too bad. The Stemme S12 is 369k "loaded" up. A Cobra trailer is another 50k (2-3 hours to rig and derig). Few buy the trailer.

I finally got a chance to fly it today for a short cross country in 2-4 knots of broken, very narrow lift. It flew nicely, needed a little more of an act CG maybe. All operation is simple.The view out the canopy is absolutely extraordinary. Sitting side by side is a game changer. Roll rate was unsurprisingly sluggish but it climbed very, very well even in fairly broken thermals. The motor start is incredibly fast in flight. Literally a few seconds. Landed in a gusty 15-22 mph crosswind. Was not bad at all but requires experience for sure. Taxi is incredibly simple for a tail dragger. Really, really fun overall.


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Old May 23rd 17, 09:50 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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Default Stemme S12 in Michigan this Saturday, May 20th (KOZW) @ 4 pm


"Also, Arcus engine overheats and you can't cruise to the good condtions. "

Really? Mine has never got hot and cruises smoothly at 85 knots. I appreciate the Stemme's cruise ability is far better but you can get to better weather in the Arcus.

Dave's price surprises me. The full kit was 265k euros 5 years ago including German sales tax. Do US buyers have to pay sales tax?

I didn't consider a Stemme. I wanted a glider which flies like my friends' 18m singles.
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Old May 23rd 17, 12:12 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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Default Stemme S12 in Michigan this Saturday, May 20th (KOZW) @ 4 pm

On Tuesday, May 23, 2017 at 4:50:46 AM UTC-4, waremark wrote:
"Also, Arcus engine overheats and you can't cruise to the good condtions. "

Really? Mine has never got hot and cruises smoothly at 85 knots. I appreciate the Stemme's cruise ability is far better but you can get to better weather in the Arcus.

Dave's price surprises me. The full kit was 265k euros 5 years ago including German sales tax. Do US buyers have to pay sales tax?

I didn't consider a Stemme. I wanted a glider which flies like my friends' 18m singles.



Do US buyers have to pay sales tax?

If exported outside of the EU, the German VAT is not charged. However, I think the US has some 'luxury tax' on imported goods above a certain value.

Uli
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Old May 23rd 17, 01:21 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Dave Nadler
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Default Stemme S12 in Michigan this Saturday, May 20th (KOZW) @ 4 pm

On Tuesday, May 23, 2017 at 4:50:46 AM UTC-4, waremark wrote:
Dave's price surprises me. The full kit was 265k euros 5 years ago
including German sales tax. Do US buyers have to pay sales tax?


$250k does not include sales tax.
No VAT in USA, but some states have sales tax.
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Old May 23rd 17, 01:22 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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Default Stemme S12 in Michigan this Saturday, May 20th (KOZW) @ 4 pm

On Monday, May 22, 2017 at 10:22:47 AM UTC-4, Sean Fidler wrote:
Also, Arcus engine overheats and you can't cruise to the good condtions.


Mine has never overheated, not sure what you're talking about?
ArcusM is certainly not a machine suited for long distance cruise,
but no problem for shorter distances.
 




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