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Capt.Doug ) wrote:

Many people didn't vote for Bush as much as they voted against Edwards.
Having a trial lawyer a heartbeat away from the presidency was the greater
evil for many voters. As I recall, it was trial lawyers that managed to wipe
out piston-engine airplane production for over a decade.

Amen to that.

--
Peter

"Capt.Doug" wrote in message
Many people didn't vote for Bush as much as they voted against Edwards.

Just chiming in here but speak for yourself. I voted FOR Bush and utterly
against JOhn KErry.

--
Jim Fisher

NEVER EVER vote against a candidate! If you are voting against one
person that means you are assuming the person whose name you select will
be better without actually knowing.

If you get to a fork in the road and one way gets to where you want to
go but is gravel rutted out and pot marked with large puddles while the
other way is paved and looks like a pretty decent road but you have no
idea where it leads, which way do you take knowing once you decide, you
can not turn back?

It always bothers me when someone says they voted against someone
because that tells me they don't really know who they voted for. All
they know is that they don't like one candidate.

Now if you get to a fork in the road and decide you know you don't want
to go where one road leads and have no idea where the other leads, then
maybe you should have stopped and asked for directions.

More people really need to vote in the primaries.





Bob Chilcoat wrote:

I absolutely agree with you, Jay. Yet again, I had to vote AGAINST a
candidate, rather than FOR one. I just thought Kerry was the least-bad
candidate. When Bush opens his mouth, or just looks at the camera, for that
matter, the back of my hair goes up. What thinking individual could vote
FOR this idiot. I guess my version of the least-bad candidate was the same
as only 49.9% of the rest of the country.

Apparently you can fool 50% of the people, but there is always a noise
function.

--
Bob (Chief Pilot, White Knuckle Airways)

I don't have to like Bush and Cheney (Or Kerry, for that matter) to love
America

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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These people are mad Kerry didn't run a liberal campaign and can't stand
that he "was just as pro-war as Bush."

That is SO ironic.

If the Democrats has nominated a middle-of-the-road guy to run against
Bush -- say, Dick Gephardt -- this election would not have even been

close.

The Democrats would have swept the nation, and never by less than 25
percentage points.

Stupidly, they nominated a guy whose political positions were to the left

of

Ted Kennedy's, absolutely ensuring a Bush victory.

There were many traditional Republicans out here -- myself included -- who
would have voted for a conservative Democrat in this election. But there
was just no way for any of us to vote for a guy like Kerry.

The moral for the Democrats: Don't ever nominate an ultra liberal to run
for president again.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Bob Chilcoat" wrote in message
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I absolutely agree with you, Jay. Yet again, I had to vote AGAINST a
candidate, rather than FOR one. I just thought Kerry was the least-bad
candidate. When Bush opens his mouth, or just looks at the camera, for
that
matter, the back of my hair goes up.

Funny, that is what I was thinking about Kerry toward the end of the
election. His continual wild accusations made me begin to wonder about his
mental stability. "Bush has a secret plan for a draft!" "Bush is responsible
for the loss of the WMD that Saddam never had anyway!" "Bush is going to
destroy Social Security, date your girl friend, and drive your car around
when you are not looking!" Seriously, it was getting difficult to tell
whether Kerry was talking about Bush or the Good Times virus. :-)

Stupidly, they nominated a guy whose political positions were to the left
of Ted Kennedy's, absolutely ensuring a Bush victory.

There were many traditional Republicans out here -- myself included -- who
would have voted for a conservative Democrat in this election. But there
was just no way for any of us to vote for a guy like Kerry.

The moral for the Democrats: Don't ever nominate an ultra liberal to run
for president again.

I have often wondered how some people come to the conclusions that they do.
Jay,,, for goodness sake you sound like you are a sock-puppet mouthing the
words of his puppeteer (Bush - who was famous for the 'Kerry's just like T.
Kennedy' line). Kerry was far left? How, where? If anything he was as
centrist as Clinton was. You'd think he belonged to the Communist party to
hear the prattle that is coming off of your tongue.

Unlike the man whose words you mouth, Kerry didn't pull special favors to
get into the National Guard to avoid the draft (he VOLUNTEERED for duty),
Kerry was never arrested DUI, nor was he a cocaine user. While our boys
were ducking bullets and embroiled in a hopeless conflict - Bush was having
beer parties with the boys - occasionally remembering to show up for
National Guard duty. Also, I'll bet you never even took the time to watch
the footage of Kerry before the special hearing on Vietnam (which Bush would
refer to often, without even citing a single in-context quote from) when
Kerry spoke most eloquently without political bile of what was wrong with
the Vietnam War and how it was a mistake. He did this AFTER having been
there (something Bush in his petty cowardice, never did). He went there,
saw how things were going and recognized that we (the US) had made a
mistake. There wasn't a single misspoken word in his speech, back then (you
see, unlike you, I took it upon myself to view all the footage of the
hearing - before forming my opinions). Does integrity mean anything to you?

I worry about a country where there are individuals that can be so easily
molded with a political dogma and never bother to question or actively
challenge the ideas that are being presented to them. I've voted for
Democratic candidates, I've voted for Republican,,, you want to know why,
Jay? Because it is the benefit for the country that counts not 'belonging
to a club' and following their 'election charter' like some mindless
automaton.

Your candidate entered a war with an 'enemy' (Saddam) who had not attacked
us while the fellow that directly attacked us is running around, comfortably
making videos and apparently eating well. Bush claimed he was entering the
war to save the people from his cruel tyranny - but what about the massive
genocide that is going on in parts of Africa right now - I haven't heard a
peep from Bush about that, or China's human rights violations, or North
Korea's forming nuclear arsenal ---- Ooops,,,, wait,,,,, I get it
now,,,,,,,, there is no OIL in Africa where innocents are being slaughtered
every day,,, there is no OIL in North Korea.... Isn't it funny,,,, a
president who is against stem cell research (which only the ignorant don't
know) uses embryos and NOT fetuses, has BIG problems with using a frozen
embryo that must be discarded after a certain length of time,,,, BUT he will
NOT hesitate to sacrifice living, breathing, human beings in a war that had
NO business being fought (I'm talking about Iraq here). So, he will put
living human beings (including women and children involved in collateral
damage from bombings that go astray) in body bags,,, but wait! Don't ya
dare touch a frozen embryo in a 'cryogenics' freezer. Can YOU say ,
hypocrisy? God forbid, that you are your loved one needs medical aid that
some new stem cell technology could offer.

If there is any hope for our country, it will be when people learn to
abandon their mindless following of party affiliation and do as I (and
others) do; simply vote for the best man/woman for the job.

But don't let intelligence or logic, pry you away from your blissful
ignorance. I hope one day, people like you will learn to challenge and
learn more about what they are told as fact FROM ANY SOURCE,,, then we will
REALLY have a great Nation.

A mind is truly a terrible thing to waste..........


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Good Flights!

Cecil
PP-ASEL-IA
Student - CP-ASEL

Check out my personal flying adventures from my first flight to the
checkride AND the continuing adventures beyond!
Complete with pictures and text at: www.bayareapilot.com

"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery -

"We who fly, do so for the love of flying. We are alive in the air with
this miracle that lies in our hands and beneath our feet"
- Cecil Day Lewis -

But don't let intelligence or logic, pry you away from your blissful
ignorance. I hope one day, people like you will learn to challenge and
learn more about what they are told as fact FROM ANY SOURCE,,, then we
will REALLY have a great Nation.

A mind is truly a terrible thing to waste..........

Sorry, Cecil -- I called it as I saw it. I just couldn't vote for Kerry.

And yes, I did watch ALL of the video-taped hearings, just like you.

Let me add the obvious, incendiary words that I was diplomatically trying to
avoid using: The Democrats would own the White House right now, TODAY, if
they had nominated a centrist who didn't back-stab his compatriots during
wartime. Everything else Kerry's done, before or since, pales to
insignificance in the shadow of that action.

It's got to really suck to be Dick Gephardt today, knowing this fact.
Gephardt's no dummy, and now he's too old to run again -- but I'm sure he
knows in his heart that the White House was his for the taking -- if only
his party had given him the chance.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Jay Honeck wrote:



It's got to really suck to be Dick Gephardt today, knowing this fact.
Gephardt's no dummy, and now he's too old to run again -- but I'm sure he
knows in his heart that the White House was his for the taking -- if only
his party had given him the chance.

Gephardt isn't the one. You want a centrist Dem, you pick Lieberman.

Jay Honeck wrote:

But don't let intelligence or logic, pry you away from your blissful
ignorance. I hope one day, people like you will learn to challenge and
learn more about what they are told as fact FROM ANY SOURCE,,, then we
will REALLY have a great Nation.

A mind is truly a terrible thing to waste..........


Sorry, Cecil -- I called it as I saw it. I just couldn't vote for Kerry.

And yes, I did watch ALL of the video-taped hearings, just like you.

Let me add the obvious, incendiary words that I was diplomatically trying to
avoid using: The Democrats would own the White House right now, TODAY, if
they had nominated a centrist who didn't back-stab his compatriots during
wartime. Everything else Kerry's done, before or since, pales to
insignificance in the shadow of that action.

It's got to really suck to be Dick Gephardt today, knowing this fact.
Gephardt's no dummy, and now he's too old to run again -- but I'm sure he
knows in his heart that the White House was his for the taking -- if only
his party had given him the chance.

And even Edwards probably could have won ... being a lawyer
notwithstanding! :-)

I agree that Kerry was simply a bad choice by the Democrats. They had
other choices that could likely have won.

Matt

P.S. You're right, we should all thank Mr. Bush for turning a hard-earned
surplus budget (earned under Clinton's rule) into a 4.3 trillion dollar
DEFICIT.

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Good Flights!

Cecil
PP-ASEL-IA
Student - CP-ASEL

Check out my personal flying adventures from my first flight to the
checkride AND the continuing adventures beyond!
Complete with pictures and text at: www.bayareapilot.com

"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery -

"We who fly, do so for the love of flying. We are alive in the air with
this miracle that lies in our hands and beneath our feet"
- Cecil Day Lewis -

And yes, I did watch ALL of the video-taped hearings, just like you.

The reason you saw the information differently from him is because he was
looking at the data in order to find something wrong, most Bush voters,
however, look at the data first, then make up their minds.