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| | | | Fred J. McCall wrote in message n
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| | | | :However Ireland has been occupied and held since 1172
or
| there
| abouts the
| | | | :south release in the 1920's
| | | |
| | | | I think that's wrong. I didn't think they actually took
| over
| Ireland
| | | | until Liz I.
| | | |
| | | |
| | | | The Military occupation of Ireland began under Strongbow
and
| Henry
| II
| | | | The Treaty of Windsor in 1175 recognized the military
| conquest.
| | | |
| | | |
| | | | http://www.rte.ie/culture/millennia/history/0711.html
| | |
| | | From your link: "Before Henry VIII came to power in 1509 the
| English
| had
| | | little influence over Ireland. Henry feared that foreign or
| domestic
| | | enemies would use Ireland as a base for attacking him."
| | |
| | | Apples and oranges.
| |
| | No, your comment implied total control since the 12th Century,
your
| | reference says otherwise.
| |
| | My coomment was "The Military occupation of Ireland began under
| | Strongbow and Henry II" Tehat is undoubtedly correct.
|
| What part of "Before Henry VIII came to power in 1509 the English
had
| LITTLE INFLUENCE over Ireland" do you find difficult to understand.
A
| military occupation in the 12th Century does not imply that the
control
| was absolute or that the occupation was continuous for three
centuries.
| If you had bothered reading the rest of the history you presented as
| evidence you would have found that a good number of the Irish
appeared
| to enjoy being part of the struggle for power in the British Isles
and a
| occupation British Army didn't spend three centuries putting down
the
| natives.
|
| you clearl do not understand either the statement or Irish History.
| In the 12th- 15c century "England" had relatively little influence.
| That is becasue the military occupation was by anglo normans, but only
| nominally in favor of England as opposed to themselves. it was
| occupation by "English" but only nominally by England.
|
| As teh BBC puts it

And you totally fail to understand the comment was "Before Henry VIII
came to power in 1509 the English had LITTLE INFLUENCE over Ireland",
waffling away with comments from a TV show will not change that fact.