Armed forces of an independent Scotland

"Paul J. Adam" wrote in message
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In message , Robert Peffers
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Frae Auld bob Peffers:
Well Denmark does very well as they are. Anyway Scotland would be
entitled
to her share of the UK armed forces,

Sure, but it means you get to pay for them (and most of the support and
TacDev is way down south, meaning you need to pay again to duplicate it
if it's a hostile split). Balkanisation isn't usually a good idea (I
mean, _look_ at the Balkans - would _you_ want to live there?)

What do you meam by all the support is down there? We have the Clyde
Submarine base and Rosyth Dockyard for navy and Lossie RAF and so on. If a
split comes about we are entitled to a FAIR share. If we don't get it we are
entitled to impound everything in Scotland.
Also, what do you mean we would have to pay for it? We have paid our share
of it all along.
Surely you do not think only the English pay for defence?


(or if not we could hang on to ALL the
nukes as hostages). If they don't give us our proper share the Indians,
Pakistanis, Israelis or even the Palestinians may pay well for them. Even
the Koreas have nuclear ambitions.

Careful there - the US might remember the Auld Alliance and decide that
Scotland is close enough to France to become part of the Axis of Evil.
Trying to auction nuclear warheads might get some unwelcome gatecrashers
(besides, most of the customers are short on manners, and might decide
that it was easier to kill other bidders than match their price, then
the auctioneer gets hit in the crossfire, and where's your profit then?)

You have to be kidding - I don't see coward Bushy invading the countries
that actually HAVE nukes. Do you? The situation you mention is that Scotland
did not get her fair share and had impounded all the UK's nukes and the
means to deliver them. Bushy is stupid but not that stupid.
snip

Fife, is it? My mother's from Aberdeen and my father from Perth, though
I was born just south of the Tyne.
Fife only since 1952 but I was born in the Lothians.
I worked all my working life with the MOD in the defence field.
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Robert, (Auld Bob), Peffers,
Kelty,
Fife,
Scotland, (UK).
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"Peter Kemp" wrote in message

Great place, great beer.

Great beer? On Bute? Where?

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"Paul J. Adam" wrote:


Careful there - the US might remember the Auld Alliance and
decide that Scotland is close enough to France to become part
of the Axis of Evil.

Please get it right: France is part of the Axis of Weasels.
;-)

"Dweezil Dwarftosser" wrote in message
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"Paul J. Adam" wrote:


Careful there - the US might remember the Auld Alliance and
decide that Scotland is close enough to France to become part
of the Axis of Evil.

Please get it right: France is part of the Axis of Weasels.
;-)
As pointed out to you the USA will not invade a country that actually has
WMD. There are quite a few around that the USA does not care for but,
"AFTER", they get nuclear capability the USA becomes very quiet on the
subject.
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Robert, (Auld Bob), Peffers,
Kelty,
Fife,
Scotland, (UK).
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E-Mail:-
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Robert Peffers sgrìobh,

"Paul J. Adam" wrote in message
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In message , BUFF
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"Ian Morrison" wrote in message
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Are they not a tank regiment now? An ex-neighbour of mine was sent to
Ir*q as part of the recent illegal invasion force and he was in a tank
(his mother reportedly said "can you imagine what it smells like in a
tank full of 18 year old boys?").

probably as mechanised infantry in Warriors APCs - tracked but not a
tank.

It's tracked, it's got a turret, it's a tank to any roving reporter.
(Just because the Army call it an 'infantry fighting vehicle' - what do
a bunch of illiterate squaddies know that a highly-trained reporter
doesn't?)

Just like any rowboat with a GPMG is a "battleship" and a Piper Cub or
Cessna becomes an "advanced attack aircraft" when the meedja get
frothing.

--
He thinks too much: such men are dangerous.
Julius Caesar I:2

Paul J. Adam MainBoxatjrwlynch[dot]demon{dot}co(.)uk
Frae Auld Bob Peffers:
Oh! Aye! I've met your type of people all my working life. I worked in
Radio/RADAR/SONAR/RADIC and other military electronic fields from 1952 until
I retired. Now. in certain specialities, I also did work for other branches
of the armed forces and even hospitals and, believe it or not, museums.


I think the point he is making is that media always talk through their
arses pontificating on things military. He is not having a go at the
poor buggers stuck in the tracked, turreted tanky thing.

Mind you when Labour are finished with the RAF, the highly trained
reporter may be right designating the Cessna as a FGR.

However, it was common for certain service personnel to have the same
attitude you show in the above post. You thought you were the experts and
knew better than all those stupid civvies. Well, laddie, here is how it
went. The instructor on the service's courses would go through the course
like this. (They used Fimms Diagrams, you know the kind of thing) , {Is the
switch on or off? If off - do this, If on - do that}. "--- and if that does
not fix it you go to the next step -- -- -- and this goes on till the end of
the Fimms.
ew better.

--
Lochy.
"You should make a point of trying every experience once, excepting incest and
folk-dancing". Sir Arnold Bax.

"Peter Kemp" wrote in message
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On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 01:14:55 +1200, "Adam Whyte-Settlar"
wrote:


"Peter Kemp" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 8 Jul 2004 23:29:57 +0100, "Robert Peffers"
wrote:

Oirish! ye soondit mair lik aa Sootheron til me. Aiblins yo maun bi an
Inglis Oirisher? DARFC

Just a pur wee English lad here (though my Mam is Danish). Nothing but
respect for the lads north of the Border though (and not just becasue
my Boss is one of them).

Peter Kemp

I'm intrigued. What possible other reason could there be?

The sheer mastery of the fast paced but brutal sport of curling, what
else ;-)

No, to be honest, after a few nights on the Isle of Bute one year
sipping pints of heavy as the sun set across the I've never had a bad
word (well, not a serious one) to say for the Scots or thier land.
Great place, great beer.

I liked Bute too. The palm trees lining the main street are an unusual sight
in Scotland.
Such a shame there are locals living there - can't have everything I
suppose.
A W-S


Peter Kemp

In article , Paul J. Adam
writes
In message , BUFF
writes
"Ian Morrison" wrote in message
news:34e07cb7f29311f1e07f330690f839b0.3570@mygat e.mailgate.org...
Are they not a tank regiment now? An ex-neighbour of mine was sent to
Ir*q as part of the recent illegal invasion force and he was in a tank
(his mother reportedly said "can you imagine what it smells like in a
tank full of 18 year old boys?").

probably as mechanised infantry in Warriors APCs - tracked but not a tank.

It's tracked, it's got a turret, it's a tank to any roving reporter.
(Just because the Army call it an 'infantry fighting vehicle' - what do
a bunch of illiterate squaddies know that a highly-trained reporter
doesn't?)

Just like any rowboat with a GPMG is a "battleship" and a Piper Cub or
Cessna becomes an "advanced attack aircraft" when the meedja get
frothing.

I'm not familiar with the term "advanced attack aircraft". Surely any
brand of mud-mover is a "fighter-bomber" according to the reptiles??

And anything bigger than a C-47/Dakota is a "giant transport plane".
--
Peter

Ying tong iddle-i po!

"Lachie" ] wrote in message
ght...
Robert Peffers sgrìobh,

"Paul J. Adam" wrote in message
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In message , BUFF
writes
"Ian Morrison" wrote in message
news:34e07cb7f29311f1e07f330690f839b0.3570@mygate .mailgate.org...
Are they not a tank regiment now? An ex-neighbour of mine was sent
to
Ir*q as part of the recent illegal invasion force and he was in a
tank
(his mother reportedly said "can you imagine what it smells like in
a
tank full of 18 year old boys?").

probably as mechanised infantry in Warriors APCs - tracked but not a
tank.

It's tracked, it's got a turret, it's a tank to any roving reporter.
(Just because the Army call it an 'infantry fighting vehicle' - what do
a bunch of illiterate squaddies know that a highly-trained reporter
doesn't?)

Just like any rowboat with a GPMG is a "battleship" and a Piper Cub or
Cessna becomes an "advanced attack aircraft" when the meedja get
frothing.

--
He thinks too much: such men are dangerous.
Julius Caesar I:2

Paul J. Adam MainBoxatjrwlynch[dot]demon{dot}co(.)uk
Frae Auld Bob Peffers:
Oh! Aye! I've met your type of people all my working life. I worked in
Radio/RADAR/SONAR/RADIC and other military electronic fields from 1952
until
I retired. Now. in certain specialities, I also did work for other
branches
of the armed forces and even hospitals and, believe it or not, museums.


I think the point he is making is that media always talk through their
arses pontificating on things military. He is not having a go at the
poor buggers stuck in the tracked, turreted tanky thing.

I know just what he is saying. However, much of such criticism is just as
bad as bad media coverage.

Mind you when Labour are finished with the RAF, the highly trained
reporter may be right designating the Cessna as a FGR.

Look at it this way. I have never been to Iraq yet, from media sources, I
read, watched and listened to what evidence there was on the situation. I
soon concluded that the military experts who were set on invading Iraq were
about to make a very big and expensive mistake, (in life, time and money). I
also concluded that the politicos knew this full well but for reasons other
than they were saying they would invade anyway. I was very right in almost
every conclusion I drew from those media sources. Chech back through Google
Groups and you will find I was saying all this before the Afghaistan
invasion.
So who were more right? Was it the military experts? Was it the media? Was
it the polititians? Meanwhile the real experts did not get a word in
edgewise. These experts were there. Robin Cook told the truth and he was in
a position to know at the time. There were others.

However, it was common for certain service personnel to have the same
attitude you show in the above post. You thought you were the experts and
knew better than all those stupid civvies. Well, laddie, here is how it
went. The instructor on the service's courses would go through the course
like this. (They used Fimms Diagrams, you know the kind of thing) , {Is
the
switch on or off? If off - do this, If on - do that}. "--- and if that
does
not fix it you go to the next step -- -- -- and this goes on till the end
of
the Fimms.
ew better.

--
Lochy.
"You should make a point of trying every experience once, excepting incest
and
folk-dancing". Sir Arnold Bax.
--

Aefauldlie, (Scots word for Honestly),
Robert, (Auld Bob), Peffers,
Kelty,
Fife,
Scotland, (UK).
Web Site, "The Eck's Files":- http://www.peffers50.freeserve.co.uk
E-Mail:-
(Tak oot the wee dug tae send e-mail).


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Robert Peffers sgrìobh,

"Lachie" ] wrote in message
ight...
Robert Peffers sgrìobh,

"Paul J. Adam" wrote in message
...
In message , BUFF
writes
"Ian Morrison" wrote in message
news:34e07cb7f29311f1e07f330690f839b0.3570@mygate .mailgate.org...
Are they not a tank regiment now? An ex-neighbour of mine was sent
to
Ir*q as part of the recent illegal invasion force and he was in a
tank
(his mother reportedly said "can you imagine what it smells like in
a
tank full of 18 year old boys?").

probably as mechanised infantry in Warriors APCs - tracked but not a
tank.

It's tracked, it's got a turret, it's a tank to any roving reporter.
(Just because the Army call it an 'infantry fighting vehicle' - what do
a bunch of illiterate squaddies know that a highly-trained reporter
doesn't?)

Just like any rowboat with a GPMG is a "battleship" and a Piper Cub or
Cessna becomes an "advanced attack aircraft" when the meedja get
frothing.

--
He thinks too much: such men are dangerous.
Julius Caesar I:2

Paul J. Adam MainBoxatjrwlynch[dot]demon{dot}co(.)uk
Frae Auld Bob Peffers:
Oh! Aye! I've met your type of people all my working life. I worked in
Radio/RADAR/SONAR/RADIC and other military electronic fields from 1952
until
I retired. Now. in certain specialities, I also did work for other
branches
of the armed forces and even hospitals and, believe it or not, museums.


I think the point he is making is that media always talk through their
arses pontificating on things military. He is not having a go at the
poor buggers stuck in the tracked, turreted tanky thing.

I know just what he is saying. However, much of such criticism is just as
bad as bad media coverage.


Well to my mind he was not criticising the poor squaddies, he was having
a go at the media. Were you not having a go at him?

Mind you when Labour are finished with the RAF, the highly trained
reporter may be right designating the Cessna as a FGR.

Look at it this way. I have never been to Iraq yet, from media sources, I
read, watched and listened to what evidence there was on the situation. I
soon concluded that the military experts who were set on invading Iraq were
about to make a very big and expensive mistake, (in life, time and money). I
also concluded that the politicos knew this full well but for reasons other
than they were saying they would invade anyway. I was very right in almost
every conclusion I drew from those media sources. Chech back through Google
Groups and you will find I was saying all this before the Afghaistan
invasion.
So who were more right? Was it the military experts? Was it the media? Was
it the polititians? Meanwhile the real experts did not get a word in
edgewise. These experts were there. Robin Cook told the truth and he was in
a position to know at the time. There were others.


Totally agree with you. Invasion Iraq is a complete farce. The question
we should be asking is why and intelligent chap like Blair is getting
himself involved to the extent that he is willing to sacrifice his
political career and prime ministership on this ill thought adventure.
Possibly to limit Bush's idea of the US invading more Middle Eastern
countries and allowing Israel to hold on to the occupied territories.

Next time you see Cook ask him why he believes the UK went to war.

As indicated in my rather jokey riposte, the RAF is going to be savaged
in the summer defence cuts. Which I personally think is a big mistake.
Long live Eurofighter.


However, it was common for certain service personnel to have the same
attitude you show in the above post. You thought you were the experts and
knew better than all those stupid civvies. Well, laddie, here is how it
went. The instructor on the service's courses would go through the course
like this. (They used Fimms Diagrams, you know the kind of thing) , {Is
the
switch on or off? If off - do this, If on - do that}. "--- and if that
does
not fix it you go to the next step -- -- -- and this goes on till the end
of
the Fimms.
ew better.

--
Lochy.
"You should make a point of trying every experience once, excepting incest
and
folk-dancing". Sir Arnold Bax.

--
Lachie Macquarie.
She ruled the Toads of the Short Forest and every newt in Idaho and every cricket
who had chorused, by the bush in Buffalo. FZ

"Lachie" ] wrote in message
ght...
snip

I think the point he is making is that media always talk through their
arses pontificating on things military. He is not having a go at the
poor buggers stuck in the tracked, turreted tanky thing.

I know just what he is saying. However, much of such criticism is just as
bad as bad media coverage.


Well to my mind he was not criticising the poor squaddies, he was having
a go at the media. Were you not having a go at him?

Mind you when Labour are finished with the RAF, the highly trained
reporter may be right designating the Cessna as a FGR.

Look at it this way. I have never been to Iraq yet, from media sources, I
read, watched and listened to what evidence there was on the situation. I
soon concluded that the military experts who were set on invading Iraq
were
about to make a very big and expensive mistake, (in life, time and
money). I
also concluded that the politicos knew this full well but for reasons
other
than they were saying they would invade anyway. I was very right in
almost
every conclusion I drew from those media sources. Chech back through
Google
Groups and you will find I was saying all this before the Afghaistan
invasion.
So who were more right? Was it the military experts? Was it the media?
Was
it the polititians? Meanwhile the real experts did not get a word in
edgewise. These experts were there. Robin Cook told the truth and he was
in
a position to know at the time. There were others.


Totally agree with you. Invasion Iraq is a complete farce. The question
we should be asking is why and intelligent chap like Blair is getting
himself involved to the extent that he is willing to sacrifice his
political career and prime ministership on this ill thought adventure.
Possibly to limit Bush's idea of the US invading more Middle Eastern
countries and allowing Israel to hold on to the occupied territories.

Next time you see Cook ask him why he believes the UK went to war.

As indicated in my rather jokey riposte, the RAF is going to be savaged
in the summer defence cuts. Which I personally think is a big mistake.
Long live Eurofighter.
snip
You are probably right. If Tony had stayed out of Bush's warmongering
offence we would have had more money left to invest in home defence.

--
Lachie Macquarie.
She ruled the Toads of the Short Forest and every newt in Idaho and every
cricket
who had chorused, by the bush in Buffalo. FZ

--

Aefauldlie, (Scots word for Honestly),
Robert, (Auld Bob), Peffers,
Kelty,
Fife,
Scotland, (UK).
Web Site, "The Eck's Files":- http://www.peffers50.freeserve.co.uk
E-Mail:-
(Tak oot the wee dug tae send e-mail).


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