Bible-beater pilots

Robert,

that it is the cause of the belief system that they
monger power.


I can't see that I said that.


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Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 17:39:38 +0100, Thomas Borchert
wrote:

that it is the cause of the belief system that they
monger power.


I can't see that I said that.

You didn't. It's either a strawman (my bad) or (IME) the place people
who don't like churches usually go next.

Rob

--
[You] don't make your kids P.C.-proof by keeping them
ignorant, you do it by helping them learn how to
educate themselves.

-- Orson Scott Card

In article ,
that it is the cause of the belief system that they
monger power.

I can't see that I said that.

You didn't. It's either a strawman (my bad) or (IME) the place people
who don't like churches usually go next.

To my mind it's not so much that power corrupts, and absolute power
corrupts absolutely. So much as corrupt people do corrupt things; and
corrupt people with power do really corrupt things. Religion has long
been (one way) for people to gain power. A large number of whom have been
corrupt. There are any number of secular bad guys out there as well.

I think the main difference is that the secular power hungry guys do not
normally claim to be ethical/moral. Myself (and others I'm told) have
problems when a group claims to stand for moral principles not only
because they are good and just, but also the word/law of god. Then lie,
cheat and steal while the cover up the crimes of others, for example child
molestation and the catholic church). The actually number of pedophiles
within the church does no difference statistically from the general
population. However the general population does not claim to hold itself
to a high moral standard either.

So it's not so much that some of us 'don't like churches' as we don't like
the hypocrisy rampant in many religions. Then again that might just be me