Garmin unveiling?

Oshkosh seems to be the place where Garmin rolls out their latest and
greatest products. Any speculation on what the next will be?

My pattern has been to jump 2 model series or when there is a
significant change. I have a 396 in the Bonanza that has earned it's
keep with the XM weather incorporation. This year I upgraded my audio
panel to utilize the audio input.

Speculation?

Bob

On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 05:36:05 -0700, wrote:

Oshkosh seems to be the place where Garmin rolls out their latest and
greatest products. Any speculation on what the next will be?

From a software standpoint, there are probably lots of little features
that can be improved, but I cannot think of any big features that the
496 lacks... Exceptions would be integrated traffic or artificial
horizon, but those would require additional hardware components to be
added to the design, and that would not make it size effective.

Garmin's automotive GPS(s) now use touchscreen displays, so perhaps if
they announce a 596 it will have that.

-Nathan

On Jul 12, 6:09 am, Nathan Young wrote:
On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 05:36:05 -0700, wrote:
Oshkosh seems to be the place where Garmin rolls out their latest and
greatest products. Any speculation on what the next will be?

From a software standpoint, there are probably lots of little features
that can be improved, but I cannot think of any big features that the
496 lacks...

Airways. Until they put airways in the GPS systems they will still be
just help tools. This is the same with the G1000. I still have to
carry all my charts and reference them often in flight.

-Robert

On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 21:56:59 -0000, "Robert M. Gary"
wrote:

Airways. Until they put airways in the GPS systems they will still be
just help tools. This is the same with the G1000. I still have to
carry all my charts and reference them often in flight.


Can't you just program the route from Navaid to Navaid, and if
necessary, add the intersections where the airway bends?

Airways always run from something to something else (a Navaid or
intersection). Even a current databased 196 has the pints that define
an airway. While you still need the chart to program it, once it's
programmed, you can easily follow an airway.

Am I missing something?

Thanks!

On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 18:45:27 -0400, B A R R Y
wrote:

Can't you just program the route from Navaid to Navaid, and if
necessary, add the intersections where the airway bends?

Airways always run from something to something else (a Navaid or
intersection). Even a current databased 196 has the pints that define
an airway. While you still need the chart to program it, once it's
programmed, you can easily follow an airway.

That's what I do, but it's really annoying when they give you a
crossing restriction on a fix that isn't a turnpoint in an airway so
now you have to go fishing to find it rather than the entire set of
waypoints constituting an airway being in the plan automatically like
the higher-end FMS.

On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 18:57:15 -0400, Peter Clark
wrote:

That's what I do, but it's really annoying when they give you a
crossing restriction on a fix that isn't a turnpoint in an airway so
now you have to go fishing to find it rather than the entire set of
waypoints constituting an airway being in the plan automatically like
the higher-end FMS.

What happens if you're needing to leave or join the airway midway,
such as at an intersection bend?

If you were to program the airway as a waypoint, wouldn't the unit
expect you to fly it from beginning to end?

On Jul 12, 3:45 pm, B A R R Y wrote:
On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 21:56:59 -0000, "Robert M. Gary"

wrote:
Airways. Until they put airways in the GPS systems they will still be
just help tools. This is the same with the G1000. I still have to
carry all my charts and reference them often in flight.

Can't you just program the route from Navaid to Navaid, and if
necessary, add the intersections where the airway bends?

Airways always run from something to something else (a Navaid or
intersection). Even a current databased 196 has the pints that define
an airway. While you still need the chart to program it, once it's
programmed, you can easily follow an airway.

Am I missing something?

Hopefully a mountain. Out West our airways bend to avoid mountains.
If you miss a bend (which can be easy to do when looking at a
sectional), you could hit the mountain. Its just an increased danager
that isn't necessary if the GPS had airways.
Also, if the GPS had airways I could program my route without having
to always have the paper chart sitting on my lap. Seems like with all
the technology in the cockpit today (I also fly a G1000) that making
us have to make frequent reference to the paper chart is odd.

-Robert

On 2007-07-12 15:45:27 -0700, B A R R Y said:

On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 21:56:59 -0000, "Robert M. Gary"
wrote:

Airways. Until they put airways in the GPS systems they will still be
just help tools. This is the same with the G1000. I still have to
carry all my charts and reference them often in flight.


Can't you just program the route from Navaid to Navaid, and if
necessary, add the intersections where the airway bends?

You could, but the MX20 showed things like MEA.


--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

B A R R Y wrote:

On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 21:56:59 -0000, "Robert M. Gary"
wrote:


Airways. Until they put airways in the GPS systems they will still be
just help tools. This is the same with the G1000. I still have to
carry all my charts and reference them often in flight.



Can't you just program the route from Navaid to Navaid, and if
necessary, add the intersections where the airway bends?

Airways always run from something to something else (a Navaid or
intersection). Even a current databased 196 has the pints that define
an airway. While you still need the chart to program it, once it's
programmed, you can easily follow an airway.

Am I missing something?

Thanks!

Yeah, you can program your path in nav-aid to nav-aid to intersection to
navaid. It's a pain and requires the charts though. For example, my
flights to the Baltimore area are ORW-V16-ENO-SWANN. To put that into
the Garmin requires you to enter ORW CCC DPK JFK DIXIE CYN VCN ENO
SWANN, all by scrolling through the alphabet. That's barely acceptable
when on the ground before you have the engine running. It sucks trying
to do it in flight for a wholesale routing change, which usually happens
when the weather is crap to begin with. I don't know why Garmin can't
do the airways. Some of the old Loran boxes had it, so why can't it be
done in a modern GPS that has everything else down to the color of your
shoelaces in it?

Ray Andraka wrote:
Some of the old Loran boxes had it, so why can't it be
done in a modern GPS that has everything else down to the color of your
shoelaces in it?

Good point.

You know what I'd like to see? A folding bluetooth or IR QWERTY
keyboard, like the versions available for Pocket PC or Palm devices.