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"DaveC" wrote in message
al.net... Cell phone usage is restricted on all domestic commercial flights by the FAA, so the flight attendant keeps telling me. I seem to recall that this wasn't so, early in cellular history. Weren't we able to use cell phones on flights, long ago? Is cell phone usage also restricted on private jets, etc. for similar reasons? So my question... what is the technical reason for restriction of cell phone us on commercial flights? Is this reason valid, technically? Or is it simply an excuse to force anyone who needs to make a call to use the airline's on-board phones (and pay their outrageous rates)? Oh good. Let's list all the reasons why cell phones belong in airplanes: 1) Airlines in bankrupty which (and I say this with enormous sarcasm) has NO effect on the morale of people who should be happy, like mechanics 2) A random selection of pilots who partied way too late the night before 3) Sky marshalls who saunter aboard like what's-his-name from Miami Vice, thereby making it perfectly clear who to strangle if you're a hijacker and need a gun. 4) Passengers who think flying is a convenient excuse to get plastered within 15 minutes of takeoff and mouth off to the crew. 5) People who've lived on potato chips and cheesecake since birth, but think they shouldn't have to buy two seats to contain their lard, and end up flowing all over your for 4 hours. 6) Air traffic control computers which are, in many cases, antiques. 7) Morons who will look right at you while you're listening to quiet music with your eyes closed and begin telling you their life story. 8) Fools who SLAM their seats backwards within seconds of the warning lights being turned off, and pretend they're instantly asleep? On top of all this, you think there should be lots of cell phones in use on airplanes? I've got news for you: Do that, and it'll be more comfortable to take a bus through a Central American jungle with goats & pigs roaming the aisles. I don't know how old you are, but there was actually a time when flying was comfortable and enjoyable. |
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Spike wrote: PCS is a marketing term invented by cellular carriers. Both 800 and 1900 Mhz are still "cellular." PCS originally meant Personal Communications Services which was a term used even with old analog via touch-tone before there ever existed 1900 Mhz "Cellular." The system could not operate with just one cell because if everyone was on the same site they would interefere with one another. More profound than that, but a cell-phone is still cellular whether on so-called "PCS" or 800 Mhz bands. Not according to the FCC, and they (literally) make the rules and the definitions. George Patterson If a man gets into a fight 3,000 miles away from home, he *had* to have been looking for it. |
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Spike wrote: PCS is a marketing term invented by cellular carriers. Both 800 and 1900 Mhz are still "cellular." PCS originally meant Personal Communications Services which was a term used even with old analog via touch-tone before there ever existed 1900 Mhz "Cellular." The system could not operate with just one cell because if everyone was on the same site they would interefere with one another. More profound than that, but a cell-phone is still cellular whether on so-called "PCS" or 800 Mhz bands. Not according to the FCC, and they (literally) make the rules and the definitions. George Patterson If a man gets into a fight 3,000 miles away from home, he *had* to have been looking for it. |
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On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 03:10:28 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote: I don't know how old you are, but there was actually a time when flying was comfortable and enjoyable. And expensive! In 1958, I left my job in Frankfurt and looked at modes of transportation home. I got a ticket on the Holland-America line for $278. An airplane would have been $400--one-way! To translate into millennium dollars, multiply by ten. all the best -- Dan Ford email: (put Cubdriver in subject line) Warbird's Forum www.warbirdforum.com Piper Cub Forum www.pipercubforum.com Viva Bush! www.vivabush.org |
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On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 03:10:28 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote: I don't know how old you are, but there was actually a time when flying was comfortable and enjoyable. And expensive! In 1958, I left my job in Frankfurt and looked at modes of transportation home. I got a ticket on the Holland-America line for $278. An airplane would have been $400--one-way! To translate into millennium dollars, multiply by ten. all the best -- Dan Ford email: (put Cubdriver in subject line) Warbird's Forum www.warbirdforum.com Piper Cub Forum www.pipercubforum.com Viva Bush! www.vivabush.org |
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"Cub Driver" wrote in message
... On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 03:10:28 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: I don't know how old you are, but there was actually a time when flying was comfortable and enjoyable. And expensive! In 1958, I left my job in Frankfurt and looked at modes of transportation home. I got a ticket on the Holland-America line for $278. An airplane would have been $400--one-way! To translate into millennium dollars, multiply by ten. I dunno....my dad paid for it when I was 12 years old. :-) About the only negative thing I remember was that the airlines were silly enough to serve peas, which made for a bit of a mess on bumpy flights. Best memory - 1987: My flight from Pittsburgh to Rochester NY was delayed by an hour due to crazy summer weather. When we finally boarded, the pilot came out of the cockpit and addressed the passengers. He said "Sorry about the delay, but there were thunderstorms. They've passed, but it's still pretty turbulent. I'll give you a choice. I can avoid 98% of the turbulence and we'll be in Rochester around 8:30. Or, I can go through the bumps and it'll be about 15 minutes quicker. The 2nd choice could be a little unnerving, but nothing we're not trained for and the plane's not built for. How about a show of hands - who wants choice A? And choice B?" Choice B won. We got home faster. :-) |
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"Cub Driver" wrote in message
... On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 03:10:28 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: I don't know how old you are, but there was actually a time when flying was comfortable and enjoyable. And expensive! In 1958, I left my job in Frankfurt and looked at modes of transportation home. I got a ticket on the Holland-America line for $278. An airplane would have been $400--one-way! To translate into millennium dollars, multiply by ten. I dunno....my dad paid for it when I was 12 years old. :-) About the only negative thing I remember was that the airlines were silly enough to serve peas, which made for a bit of a mess on bumpy flights. Best memory - 1987: My flight from Pittsburgh to Rochester NY was delayed by an hour due to crazy summer weather. When we finally boarded, the pilot came out of the cockpit and addressed the passengers. He said "Sorry about the delay, but there were thunderstorms. They've passed, but it's still pretty turbulent. I'll give you a choice. I can avoid 98% of the turbulence and we'll be in Rochester around 8:30. Or, I can go through the bumps and it'll be about 15 minutes quicker. The 2nd choice could be a little unnerving, but nothing we're not trained for and the plane's not built for. How about a show of hands - who wants choice A? And choice B?" Choice B won. We got home faster. :-) |
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Spike wrote:
PCS is a marketing term invented by cellular carriers. Both 800 and 1900 Mhz are still "cellular. Not when you are talking about FCC rules. For regulatory purposes, cellular specifically refers to 47 CFR 22 Subpart H which covers the 800MHz (AMPS) band. PCS is governed by 47 CFR 24. |
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Spike wrote:
PCS is a marketing term invented by cellular carriers. Both 800 and 1900 Mhz are still "cellular. Not when you are talking about FCC rules. For regulatory purposes, cellular specifically refers to 47 CFR 22 Subpart H which covers the 800MHz (AMPS) band. PCS is governed by 47 CFR 24. |
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Actually it could work very well, and I have seen this proposal from
several different sources. The Idea is to install a low power cell phone tower into the airliner. As I understand it that signal bar you see on you Cell phone is dictates how much power the cell phone uses to transmit. So the closer you are to the tower the less power it uses to transmit. This is why you phone batteries probably last longer in town than the do out in the boondocks. By installing the tower in the aircraft you are only a few hundred feet from the tower (at the most). The Cell phones will get an excellent signal from it and will drop to the lowest transmit power setting, Thus the interference with towers on the ground should be minimal. I am not an expert on these, I am just repeating how it was explained to me. Brian "Morgans" wrote in message ... "Bob Chilcoat" wrote in message ... I noticed on the evening news the other night that someone is trying to get a modular mobile "cell tower" approved that would be installed in commercial aircraft so that passengers can use their own mobile phones. It will be interesting to see how the FCC and FAA handle this one. -- Bob (Chief Pilot, White Knuckle Airways) Still won't work. The frequency the cell in the air is on, will be hitting dozens of towers on the ground, making them unable to use that frequency for other users on the land. |
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