Question about Rear Admiral, lower half

Commodore is a Title not a rank. (2003) You are correct in O7 RADM Lower and
O8 RADM Upper Half.

Commodore is actually, as a rank, a wartime designation for a one star.
Somewhere along the line, they played around with it and finally went back
to the peace time ranks. If you check with Bupers, you can find the O7
Commodore and O7 RADM Lowerhalf explanations.

JD

PS - But for the life of me, I could never understand the AF / Army Lt Gen
out ranking a Major Gen. LOL ( and before someone tries to explain it to
me, I KNOW that a Lt Gen is 3 stars and a Major Gen is 2 stars. As it is the
same in the Marines)


"John Carrier" wrote in message
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Rear Admiral, lower half, is an O-7 (one broad stripe, one star). Rear
Admiral, upper half, is an O-8 (the big JG, two stars). Commodore was in
and out in a hurry. Used to refer to all kinds of O-6 bonus command slots
(Commodore FTG, Commodore TRAWING One, Commodore DESRON 2, etc), then they
tried it on O-7 and the flag guys HATED it (General, Admiral, Commodore?).
We're now back to the old usage of Commodore. Been that way since long
before you retired, Peaches.

R / John

"Pechs1" wrote in message
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Shows ya all how long since I retired. Does O-8, Rear Adm., lower half,
wear
one star or two?

When did they stop calling same pay grade 'Commodore'? I know they did
for
a
while.

Do Commanders of small-ish groups of ships, smaller than a CVBG, are
they
still
refered to as 'Commodore'?? Even if they are O-7s?

Thanks in advance-
P. C. Chisholm
CDR, USN(ret.)
Old Phart Phormer Phantom, Turkey, Viper, Scooter and Combat Buckeye
Phlyer

"Jake Donovan" wrote in message
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SNIP SNIP SNIP SNIP!
PS - But for the life of me, I could never understand the AF / Army Lt Gen
out ranking a Major Gen. LOL ( and before someone tries to explain it to
me, I KNOW that a Lt Gen is 3 stars and a Major Gen is 2 stars. As it is
the
same in the Marines)

Many, many years ago I heard an explanation for this. As best I recall they
said Lt Gen was a rank in the regular army. The mounted (calvary) army
decided to be different and call their general of the same pay grade a
MajGen. Of course it wasn't long before they were trying to convince
everyone that MajGen out ranked Lt.Gen. The regular army didn't buy it.

Your fables may vary.

Red

"Red" wrote in message
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Many, many years ago I heard an explanation for this. As best I recall
they
said Lt Gen was a rank in the regular army. The mounted (calvary) army
decided to be different and call their general of the same pay grade a
MajGen. Of course it wasn't long before they were trying to convince
everyone that MajGen out ranked Lt.Gen. The regular army didn't buy it.

Your fables may vary.


It's simpler than that. Originally (17th century) it was "Captain General,"
"Lieutenant General," and "Sergeant Major General." That's "general" as in
above all others, like Attorney General or Postmaster General. Over the
years the "captain" and "sergeant" were dropped, and "general" went from an
adjective to a noun.

--Justin

"Jake Donovan" wrote in message
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JD

PS - But for the life of me, I could never understand the AF / Army Lt Gen
out ranking a Major Gen. LOL ( and before someone tries to explain it to
me, I KNOW that a Lt Gen is 3 stars and a Major Gen is 2 stars. As it is
the
same in the Marines)


You have to go back to the meaning of lieutenant, vice (regent if I remember
correctly) or in lieu of. in other words one who act for a superior, thus
lieutenant colonel or lieutenant general. That said, I do not remember why
lieutenant starts the officer ranks.

Tex Houston

Tex- You have to go back to the meaning of lieutenant, vice (regent if I
remember
correctly) or in lieu of. in other words one who act for a superior, thus
lieutenant colonel or lieutenant general. That said, I do not remember why
lieutenant starts the officer ranks. BRBR

It doesn't, it starts with "Ensign"...

;i-)
P. C. Chisholm
CDR, USN(ret.)
Old Phart Phormer Phantom, Turkey, Viper, Scooter and Combat Buckeye Phlyer

"Pechs1" wrote in message
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Tex- You have to go back to the meaning of lieutenant, vice (regent if I
remember
correctly) or in lieu of. in other words one who act for a superior, thus
lieutenant colonel or lieutenant general. That said, I do not remember
why
lieutenant starts the officer ranks. BRBR

It doesn't, it starts with "Ensign"...

;i-)
P. C. Chisholm

Even call a Marine 'Ensign'...Don't! (vbg)

Tex

"Pechs1" wrote in message
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Do Commanders of small-ish groups of ships, smaller than a CVBG, are they
still
refered to as 'Commodore'??

It's all about the flags. Any command that entitles an officer to the broad
command pennant (ComDesRon, ComSubRon, ComPhibRon, ComPatWing, etc.) carries
with it the title of commodore. AFAIK these are always O-6 commands.

Even if they are O-7s?

Nope, then they are flag officers, no command pennant.

--Justin

I had the honor (?) of a burgee and everybody called me Commodore except the
Disbursing folks...


"Justin Broderick" wrote in message
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"Pechs1" wrote in message
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Do Commanders of small-ish groups of ships, smaller than a CVBG, are
they
still
refered to as 'Commodore'??

It's all about the flags. Any command that entitles an officer to the
broad
command pennant (ComDesRon, ComSubRon, ComPhibRon, ComPatWing, etc.)
carries
with it the title of commodore. AFAIK these are always O-6 commands.

Even if they are O-7s?

Nope, then they are flag officers, no command pennant.

--Justin

I had the honor (?) of a burgee and everybody called me Commodore except
the Disbursing folks...

Hell, I didn't care WHAT the porkchops called me, so long as I was paid
promptly and correctly. g
--
Mike Kanze

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"John" wrote in message
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[rest snipped]

Hmmm - I heard they called you something else...

(kidding)
Regards,

On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 23:30:53 GMT, "John"
wrote:

I had the honor (?) of a burgee and everybody called me Commodore except the
Disbursing folks...


"Justin Broderick" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Pechs1" wrote in message
...


Do Commanders of small-ish groups of ships, smaller than a CVBG, are
they
still
refered to as 'Commodore'??

It's all about the flags. Any command that entitles an officer to the
broad
command pennant (ComDesRon, ComSubRon, ComPhibRon, ComPatWing, etc.)
carries
with it the title of commodore. AFAIK these are always O-6 commands.

Even if they are O-7s?

Nope, then they are flag officers, no command pennant.

--Justin