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On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 15:55:58 GMT, Jerry Springer
wrote: Bruce Hamilton wrote: Just to help your understanding of global political dynamics, the West Island of New Zealand is where the pilot originated, and both the NZ and US base refused to provide Avgas because:- 1. They didn't have any, and didn't want to give him Mogas. 2. He didn't seek advance permission to land at McMurdo ( as required ), probably correctly assuming they would reject it, given his inadequate planning. 3. He didn't organise logistic or search and rescue support in advance or take notice of Antarctic station guidances - as did the British pilot who gave him some of her contingency, as her well-planned expedition had been been deferred. 4. He apparently wasn't carrying enough fuel for his stated objected, so always intended to scavenge several hundred litres of fuel from a base. He radioed the base on his southward journey saying he didn't have enough fuel, but continued onto the point of no return and the South Pole anyway. Once again another armchair quarterback that does not know what they are talking about. Wow. Your detailed refutation clearly demonstrates your abilities, I'm impressed. Just to help you get a clue, lonely as it may be, here's some references from Antarctic New Zealand. http://onenews.nzoom.com/onenews_det...73-1-7,00.html http://onenews.nzoom.com/onenews_det...30-1-7,00.html US and New Zealand officials said Johanson was ill-prepared to make the polar flight and it was irresponsible for him to set out. Antarctica New Zealand spokeswoman Shelly Peebles said US and New Zealand authorities were being painted in a bad light but Johanson had taken a very irresponsible approach. She said he filed a flight plan just before he left but kept his South Pole flight plan a secret because he knew both American and New Zealand authorities would have stopped it. "All our research points to the fact that this guy had one mission in mind and that was to fly over the South Pole. "He abdicated complete personal responsibility for any kind of contingency plan or consideration of how he was going to get back with limited fuel." Bruce Hamilton |
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Bruce Hamilton wrote: On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 15:55:58 GMT, Jerry Springer wrote: Bruce Hamilton wrote: Just to help your understanding of global political dynamics, the West Island of New Zealand is where the pilot originated, and both the NZ and US base refused to provide Avgas because:- 1. They didn't have any, and didn't want to give him Mogas. 2. He didn't seek advance permission to land at McMurdo ( as required ), probably correctly assuming they would reject it, given his inadequate planning. 3. He didn't organise logistic or search and rescue support in advance or take notice of Antarctic station guidances - as did the British pilot who gave him some of her contingency, as her well-planned expedition had been been deferred. 4. He apparently wasn't carrying enough fuel for his stated objected, so always intended to scavenge several hundred litres of fuel from a base. He radioed the base on his southward journey saying he didn't have enough fuel, but continued onto the point of no return and the South Pole anyway. Once again another armchair quarterback that does not know what they are talking about. Wow. Your detailed refutation clearly demonstrates your abilities, I'm impressed. Just to help you get a clue, lonely as it may be, here's some references from Antarctic New Zealand. http://onenews.nzoom.com/onenews_det...73-1-7,00.html http://onenews.nzoom.com/onenews_det...30-1-7,00.html US and New Zealand officials said Johanson was ill-prepared to make the polar flight and it was irresponsible for him to set out. Antarctica New Zealand spokeswoman Shelly Peebles said US and New Zealand authorities were being painted in a bad light but Johanson had taken a very irresponsible approach. She said he filed a flight plan just before he left but kept his South Pole flight plan a secret because he knew both American and New Zealand authorities would have stopped it. "All our research points to the fact that this guy had one mission in mind and that was to fly over the South Pole. "He abdicated complete personal responsibility for any kind of contingency plan or consideration of how he was going to get back with limited fuel." Bruce Hamilton And what the hell else do you expect them to say???? |
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On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 18:54:12 GMT, Jerry Springer
wrote: Bruce Hamilton wrote: On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 15:55:58 GMT, Jerry Springer wrote: Bruce Hamilton wrote: Just to help your understanding of global political dynamics, the West Island of New Zealand is where the pilot originated, and both the NZ and US base refused to provide Avgas because:- Once again another armchair quarterback that does not know what they are talking about. Wow. Your detailed refutation clearly demonstrates your abilities, I'm impressed. Just to help you get a clue, lonely as it may be, here's some references from Antarctic New Zealand. (snip) And what the hell else do you expect them to say???? And you still have not added a single fact to the discussion to refute Bruce's original position. |
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Just to help your understanding of global political dynamics, the West Island of New Zealand is where the pilot originated, and both the NZ and US base refused to provide Avgas because:- Once again another armchair quarterback that does not know what they are talking about. Wow. Your detailed refutation clearly demonstrates your abilities, I'm impressed. Just to help you get a clue, lonely as it may be, here's some references from Antarctic New Zealand. (snip) And what the hell else do you expect them to say???? And you still have not added a single fact to the discussion to refute Bruce's original position. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++ http://onenews.nzoom.com/onenews_det...73-1-7,00.html http://onenews.nzoom.com/onenews_det...30-1-7,00.html FACTS ????? Could be, but... Anyone that uses hard copy media for anything more than lining the bird cage, is more than just a few bricks short of a full load. Barnyard BOb -- over 50 years of successful flight |
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On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 18:54:12 GMT, Jerry Springer
wrote: Bruce Hamilton wrote: On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 15:55:58 GMT, Jerry Springer wrote: .... Once again another armchair quarterback that does not know what they are talking about. Wow. Your detailed refutation clearly demonstrates your abilities, I'm impressed. Just to help you get a clue, lonely as it may be, here's some references from Antarctic New Zealand. http://onenews.nzoom.com/onenews_det...73-1-7,00.html http://onenews.nzoom.com/onenews_det...30-1-7,00.html And what the hell else do you expect them to say???? Your refutation of the data is where?. So far the score reads armchair quarterback 5, plonker 0. I think I'd believe the reported comments from a recognised spokesperson for a reputable agency ( substantiated by various other available commentary from other sources ) over an abusive poster on Usenet who hasn't even provided one shred of evidence to counter the information I provided. Others have also asked for your information that shows the above reports are incorrect. Incidently, I don't intend to accept Mr Johanson's unsubtantiated views either - he claims he planned well and was well prepared. The clear evidence is that he wasn't, he ended up making an emergency landing on an airfield, and publicly bad-mouthing the people there. He put himself in that predicament, nobody else. Bruce Hamilton |
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"Jerry Springer" wrote in message news Bruce Hamilton wrote: On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 15:55:58 GMT, Jerry Springer wrote: Bruce Hamilton wrote: Just to help your understanding of global political dynamics, the West Island of New Zealand is where the pilot originated, and both the NZ and US base refused to provide Avgas because:- 1. They didn't have any, and didn't want to give him Mogas. 2. He didn't seek advance permission to land at McMurdo ( as required ), probably correctly assuming they would reject it, given his inadequate planning. 3. He didn't organise logistic or search and rescue support in advance or take notice of Antarctic station guidances - as did the British pilot who gave him some of her contingency, as her well-planned expedition had been been deferred. 4. He apparently wasn't carrying enough fuel for his stated objected, so always intended to scavenge several hundred litres of fuel from a base. He radioed the base on his southward journey saying he didn't have enough fuel, but continued onto the point of no return and the South Pole anyway. Once again another armchair quarterback that does not know what they are talking about. Wow. Your detailed refutation clearly demonstrates your abilities, I'm impressed. Just to help you get a clue, lonely as it may be, here's some references from Antarctic New Zealand. http://onenews.nzoom.com/onenews_det...73-1-7,00.html http://onenews.nzoom.com/onenews_det...30-1-7,00.html US and New Zealand officials said Johanson was ill-prepared to make the polar flight and it was irresponsible for him to set out. Antarctica New Zealand spokeswoman Shelly Peebles said US and New Zealand authorities were being painted in a bad light but Johanson had taken a very irresponsible approach. She said he filed a flight plan just before he left but kept his South Pole flight plan a secret because he knew both American and New Zealand authorities would have stopped it. "All our research points to the fact that this guy had one mission in mind and that was to fly over the South Pole. "He abdicated complete personal responsibility for any kind of contingency plan or consideration of how he was going to get back with limited fuel." Bruce Hamilton And what the hell else do you expect them to say???? Jerry: You have stretched this about as far as possible. Your logic is flawed and you are coming across as just plane silly. Jimmy |
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Jimmy Galvin wrote: Jerry: You have stretched this about as far as possible. Your logic is flawed and you are coming across as just plane silly. Jimmy If you say so Jimmy then it must be true. LOL |
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Is it so very very hard to admit when one is mistaken?
Bruce wins this one. Yeah, Jerry go ahead and belittle me now. "Jerry Springer" wrote in message nk.net... Jimmy Galvin wrote: Jerry: You have stretched this about as far as possible. Your logic is flawed and you are coming across as just plane silly. Jimmy If you say so Jimmy then it must be true. LOL |
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