"bush flying" in the suburbs?

wrote:

But maybe I need to read it again 2-3 more times.

Probably. You seem to have missed the words "operated exclusively by and for
government" in that section.

George Patterson
The desire for safety stands against every great and noble enterprise.

PJ Hunt wrote:

This statute applies to commercial operations.

So you CAN go alone or take your friends, as long as you don't charge them
or receive a reward, and land in all the fields you want without prior
permission from the 'commission. Of course you would want to approve it
with the land owner first.

Rich asked for a definition of "approved". That's what Gig provided. The section
he quoted does prohibit commercial operations, but no claim has been made that
that's the entire law in New Jersey. Perhaps "zatatime" can provide a reference
to the statute that prohibits other operations?

George Patterson
The desire for safety stands against every great and noble enterprise.

So all this bitching going on the last few years over GA losing its
rights out East and all along this was on the books? Cry me a river.




zatatime wrote:
On Tue, 7 Dec 2004 13:32:57 -0600, "Gig Giacona"
wrote:


6:1-43 No
aircraft or airman shall utilize, land, or take off from any area of land
or water, unless that area is licensed for such activity, or found and
declared by the commissioner to be vital or necessary for avigation
purposes.



Thanks.
z

We have a guy here that has a 1500 pound thing he hangs from his
Jetranger each Christmas. It is Santa in his sleigh and a couple of
reindeer. There's about a thousand lights being run from the generator
bungied to the skids. He flies without any lights on the copter and the
route is published in the paper on Dec 23 each year. His whole flight
takes him a couple hours.




Judah wrote:

zatatime wrote in
:

snip

I used to know a helicopter pilot who flew Santa in and out of
a small field in town,


Cool! I didn't realize Santa had a Chauffer.

I guess as the world gets more and more populated, the Reindeer just
don't cut it anymore...

Drew Dalgleish wrote:

On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 02:26:01 GMT, "Mike Rapoport"
wrote:


"zatatime" wrote in message
. ..

On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 00:19:40 GMT, "Blueskies"
wrote:


A 'proper license' should not be too hard to come by. How do you get one?


Again, I do not have the specific documentation, but in a nutshell, if
it's for private use, you need to adhere to all the State DOT regs
pertaining to Private Use Airports. If it's for public use, you need
to comply with those requirements, i.e. Airport Safety Zone, 7 to 1
glide ratio to a certain distance away from the runway, lighting as
applicable, etc...

I know someone who did this for a heliport in Northern NJ, it took
quite a while, and cost a bunch of money.

HTH.
z

Here in ID, your runway has to be 2000' from the nearest neighbor to get
approval for a new airstrip. In practice, this takes quite a bit of land,
hundreds of acres.

Mike
MU-2



Wow sucks to be you guys. In Canada we can pretty much land and take
off wherever we please

Just because not enough people want to live in Canada to provide
neighbors within 2000 feet is no reason to get arrogant! :-)

Matt

zatatime wrote:

On Tue, 7 Dec 2004 13:32:57 -0600, "Gig Giacona"
wrote:

6:1-43 No
aircraft or airman shall utilize, land, or take off from any area of land
or water, unless that area is licensed for such activity, or found and
declared by the commissioner to be vital or necessary for avigation
purposes.

You've cut out the part that says this applies only to fields "operated
exclusively by and for government".

George Patterson
The desire for safety stands against every great and noble enterprise.

G.R. Patterson III wrote:
wrote:

But maybe I need to read it again 2-3 more times.

Probably. You seem to have missed the words "operated exclusively by
and for
government" in that section.


I saw the preceding word "or" just fine.

The bottom line is most likely to be found in the
exceptions "as provided for by the provisions of this
chapter and the rules, regulations and orders adopted
pursuant to this chapter,"

which one supposes could exempt private property
used with the owners permission, or not.

--

FF

On Wed, 8 Dec 2004, C Kingsbury wrote:


"Drew Dalgleish" wrote in message
...

Wow sucks to be you guys. In Canada we can pretty much land and take
off wherever we please

Benefits of having a country the size of the lower 48 but the population of
New York.

Bigger than the lower 48, actually, by a fair bit. Only Russia is bigger,
by land area... (even after the USSR spun off the Ukraine, the 'stans, and
stuff, Russia is still bigger!)

Brian.
www.warbard.ca/avgas/index.html

On 8 Dec 2004 09:50:03 -0800, wrote:

PJ Hunt on Dec 7, 3:04 pm wrote:


"Gig Giacona" wr.giacona@ wrote

In NJ you can't land anywhere except and approved landing facility,.
. .
NJ Statues

6:1-2. Definitions
As used in this chapter:
landing or taking off while engaged in carrying passengers for hire
or
reward or instructing students for hire or reward

This statute applies to commercial operations.

So you CAN go alone or take your friends, as long as you don't charge
them
or receive a reward, and land in all the fields you want without prior
permission from the 'commission. Of course you would want to approve it
with the land owner first.

**** Reply ***

That is what I thought at first too. However the section dealing with
emergency landings appears to prohibit, without regard to com-
mercial operation, non-emergency landings at non-licecensed fields.
But maybe I need to read it again 2-3 more times.

You are correct. Neat how they sneak that in there isn't it?

z

On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 22:19:42 GMT, "G.R. Patterson III"
wrote:



PJ Hunt wrote:

This statute applies to commercial operations.

So you CAN go alone or take your friends, as long as you don't charge them
or receive a reward, and land in all the fields you want without prior
permission from the 'commission. Of course you would want to approve it
with the land owner first.

Rich asked for a definition of "approved". That's what Gig provided. The section
he quoted does prohibit commercial operations, but no claim has been made that
that's the entire law in New Jersey. Perhaps "zatatime" can provide a reference
to the statute that prohibits other operations?

George Patterson
The desire for safety stands against every great and noble enterprise.


This is snipped from what was posted and seems to me to cover the
issue.

No
aircraft or airman shall utilize, land, or take off from any area of land
or water, unless that area is licensed for such activity, or found and
declared by the commissioner to be vital or necessary for avigation
purposes.

If this does not cover the issue, I'll try to find time to call the
State DOT for clarification of what statute applies. I only know from
practical knowledge that it is not allowed.

HTH.
z