Is it possible to switch from VFR to IFR and back?

Jose writes:

How about Mx gets in an FAA motion simulator - the kind that just spins
slowly while the "pilot" tries to follow simulated ATC commands. It's
not real flying, so Mx might be willing to try it. It would be a real
eye-opener too.

I'd prefer a full-motion simulator.

I know he's in France, maybe they have something similar there. Here
you can often find these things at major airshows (I got a ride in at
Sun'n'Fun).

There are plenty of full-motion simulators for large jets around
Paris. They are just inaccessible, that's all.

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Thomas Borchert writes:

The troll still doesn't buy it and thinks he would do better, as you
can see.

And you still cannot countenance the thought that he might not do
worse. Who's right?

Many people won't accept anything but submission and sycophancy, and
whenever someone doesn't provide these, they insist that he is wrong,
that he is a troll, etc. People who believe themselves superior don't
like to have their superiority questioned, especially if they discover
that they cannot support their belief when it is questioned.

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Gig 601XL Builder writes:

Craig, the problems that many in this group has with Mx aren't the
questions. It is the fact that once and answer is given then he will argue
that the answer is wrong and then the tread goes to hell in a handbasket.

I don't argue that answers are wrong. I question them and expect the
basis for those answers to be explained. I'm not stupid enough to
accept anything I'm told at face value. If someone cannot explain why
he gives a particular answer, he is probably making things up as goes
along, and I cannot afford to develop misconceptions and bad habits.

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"A Lieberma" wrote

My plan of action as noble as you see it be, is to let new folks know when
they reply to Mx, they are dealing with a troll.

Kabeesh?

It takes a little longer for some people. g
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Jim in NC

"Robert Chambers" wrote in message
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If it wasn't for MX himself I wouldn't have bothered to figure out how to
implement the killfile type filter in Mozilla thunderbird. it works, the only
snag is that it only hides his posts, not the adnauseum followups to them
because he doesn't believe the replies he gets.

I think that we are to the point where most people are not responding to MX, so
I am going to take a bit of advise given to me.

Kill fill anyone who is responding to MX's questions, with anything other than
hostility or a warning to a new-bee. It will thin out the posts, but you have
to be suspect of the advise or answers someone who talks to a troll would be
giving you, anyway.

In a month or whatever, I'll come back and unblock MX, and see if he is still
around. If he is gone, I might start to unblock the other responders, after
that.

Maybe. g
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Jim in NC

"fromTheShadows" wrote

I think the anti-Mx brigade are doing considerable harm whilst imagining they
are doing good, and 'Jim in NC' in particular is starting to look ridiculous.

Just a quick reply to you, before you get blocked.

I was being as combative as possible, taking every point made by him that was
not right and throwing it in his face. My intention was purely to make him
uncomfortable.

If you knew me in person, I am very easy to get along with, and will try to go
with the flow, and make peace. Then I reach my breaking point, when I say
enough is enough.

Mx reached it, as stongly as anyone in a very long time.

Any part of my looking ridiculous and doing harm is not even half of the harm he
is doing/has done here. I make no apologies.

I'm done caring any longer, because when I see people still responding, and
sticking up for him like you and others are doing, I know my efforts are in
vain. My solution (suggested by another wise poster) is to just ignore you and
your ilk until the whole thing blowes over. I won't be bothered with you/them
again.

Apologies in advance to those likely to take offence at a comment from a mere
sim pilot.

Until you stuck up for him, I would have welcomed you with open arms. Not now.

Time for "tough love."

Thanks for making it so easy to see which people to throw in the sh*t can.
--
Jim in NC

In article ,
Mxsmanic wrote:

Ron Garret writes:

It depends. Seconds to minutes depending on how good the trim was to
begin with. Definitely not tens of minutes.

I once had the simulated Baron in apparently straight and level flight
and I happened to forget that it was flying in the background while I
checked mail and did some other things. After quite a long time I
went back and looked at it and it had merely described an extremely
large oval track over the ground (because of P-factor and torque), but
was still holding altitude, and had not flipped over.

So? That just shows that your sim isn't very good.

It depends on the plane whether you have seconds or minutes. No plane
stays level by itself for more than a few minutes.

Even when trimmed?

Yes.

This seems to contradict what I've read in other sources.

Your other sources are wrong.

I'll have to do some experiments.

You'll need a real airplane. Your sim is not adequate.

You imply that without constant attention, the plane will eventually
deviate so far from its original attitude that it will be out of
control.

For some level of "constant" that is correct. You can leave it alone
for seconds to minutes, but not tens of minutes (unless you have an
autopilot and are willing to bet your life on its proper operation).


It's not going to suddenly start rolling just because you aren't
watching it.

Yes, it will. Not always but often.

It may enter a gradual bank, or very slowly gain or lose
altitude, but if you check it periodically you should be fine.

That's right. But when the workload is high that can be a big IF.


Yes, but not without a great deal of training and practice IN IMC or
under the hood. You can't practice in VMC without a view limiting
device because you can't eliminate the subconscious processing of
peripheral vision information no matter how hard you try.

What about light entering the cockpit? Even with a hood you'd still
have plenty of visual clues.

That's exactly right. That's why even pilots who have trained under a
hood often freak out the first time they're actually in a cloud. It is
impossible to fully simulate the experience.

Actually, simulator pilots might have an easier time in IMC than real
pilots because flying a sim is actually a lot more like IFR than it is
like VFR. It would make an interesting experiment.

I agree. In a simulator (at least one that doesn't provide motion),
you can never fly by the seat of the pants, except for visual clues,
and these are often more limited than they are in real life. I've
heard complaints that people with a lot of sim experience concentrate
on instruments all the time, even when they should be looking out the
window. But if there's nothing to see out the window, this could be
an advantage.

It's not out of the question that all your sim experience would make you
a better IFR pilot than one who trained in a real airplane. Come to LA
and we'll find out.


A few seconds to a few minutes depending on how good your trim is.

And you are really, seriously saying that the plane will be inverted
after a few minutes if you don't give it constant attention?

Yep. Come to LA and I'll show you. (Or if you promise to shut up about
this after I do it, I'll take a video camera with me on my next flight
and show you that way.)


They may be common in your neighborhood, but supposedly mountain
flying is still a special type of flying.

Mountain flying and flying near mountains are not the same thing. The
former is special, the latter is not.

Remember, you are climbing because you forgot to monitor the
altimeter and have just realized that you are in danger of hitting
nearby mountains.

Whoa ... when did I make that serious mistake? The chart says 14,500
in my sector, so I'm at 15,500. I shouldn't be hitting anything.

When your gaze was going back and forth between the chart and the AI and
you forgot to look at the altimeter. (Go back a re-read the scenario.)


A power-on stall and spin in a Baron? Can that happen?

Of course. Why would you doubt it?

When I see the AI tilt, I straighten it back out.

If you do it with your ailerons that may or may not help.

But look, I'm just trying to explain how people can (and often do) get
themselves into trouble. Maybe none of these things apply to you.
Maybe you are the best pilot the world has ever seen and you would never
make a single one of the possible mistakes I've described. But I
wouldn't bet my life on it.

You can consider it a choice only if you are willing to risk death by
staying where you are. Of course, if you are willing to die then flight
in IMC is really a cakewalk.

But if I'm already above all nearby terrain--as I should be--the
terrain isn't going to jump up and grab me just because I'm in a
cloud.

That's the fourth time you've dropped the context, and that is (as I
warned you it would be) the limit of my patience. So I bid you adieu
and #0000FF skies.

rg

"Morgans" wrote:
"fromTheShadows" wrote

I think the anti-Mx brigade are doing considerable harm whilst
imagining they are doing good, and 'Jim in NC' in particular is
starting to look ridiculous.

Just a quick reply to you, before you get blocked.

I hate to say this, but feel free to block me too while you're at it.

(Ironically I've taken my jabs at mxsmanic too, but in 18 years of reading
Usenet I've never felt the need to use filters or killfiles.)

Ron Garret wrote in

That's the fourth time you've dropped the context, and that is (as I
warned you it would be) the limit of my patience. So I bid you adieu
and #0000FF skies.

Thanks Ron :-)

Allen

"Jim Logajan" wrote

I hate to say this, but feel free to block me too while you're at it.

(Ironically I've taken my jabs at mxsmanic too, but in 18 years of reading
Usenet I've never felt the need to use filters or killfiles.)

So because I feel the need to use kill files, you are so opposed to said, you
feel I should block you? I don't see the connection.
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Jim in NC