Airlines Cut Minimum Pilot Experience to 500 hours and Below

On Nov 26, 5:40 pm, "Gatt" wrote:

If they had made billions she would have been worth the 40-odd million
dollars they blew showing her the door, wouldn't they?
How many engineers--who actually contributed to the success of the
company--can you hire for forty million dollars they paid to fire her.

They paid what they needed to to get the CEO they thought they needed.
Its easy to Monday Morning Quarter back when you've not been in the
board room. Maybe you would have been a better chairman of their
board, who knows. Maybe you should apply for the position.

Sure the owners can do whatever they want. But they're not doing it with
my stock investments. I'll save it for a company who doesn't have its head
up some bazillionairre's ass.

You should do that. You should not invest your money in any company
you don't feel comfortable investing in. If enough people argued with
you HP's stock would be nearly worthless and they would probably not
last long.

All this bull**** about "risking money" might sound great in a boardroom or
on Wall Street, but when people's livelihoods are at stake it's about equal
to talking about it in Vegas.

Now that is a different argument. What you are arguing now is the
primary purpose of a company. To me, the primary purpose of a for-
profit company is to maximize return to their investors. In fact in
the U.S. companies have a legal, fiduciary responsibility to do just
that. That is a central tenant of capitalism. There are other forms of
economic policies in other countries that make employment a core
mission of companies. In fact employment for the workers of a country
is a central tenant of communism as well as a core tenant of more left
leaning socialist countries ("Worker's Party", "People's Republic",
etc).
To say one type of economy is better than another is largely
philosophical issue. However, I would argue that employees in
capitalist countries fair far better than those in communist and
restricted socialist countries.

-Robert

On Nov 26, 7:11 pm, "F. Baum" wrote:
On Nov 26, 4:54 pm, "Robert M. Gary" wrote:



Yet pilots want to work for them. I guess what ever they are getting
from it is enough to put up with any downside.

Not so much anymore. They, along with other regionals, are canceling
flights from lack of crews. Take a look at their turn over.

If that is true then the companies that are not able to man flights
will go out of business and those that can crew flights will gain
their business. You just need to wait and all the regionals that can't
crew flights will soon be gone.

-Robert

"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
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On Nov 26, 5:40 pm, "Gatt" wrote:

If they had made billions she would have been worth the 40-odd million
dollars they blew showing her the door, wouldn't they?
How many engineers--who actually contributed to the success of the
company--can you hire for forty million dollars they paid to fire her.

They paid what they needed to to get the CEO they thought they needed.
Its easy to Monday Morning Quarter back when you've not been in the
board room. Maybe you would have been a better chairman of their
board, who knows. Maybe you should apply for the position.

Or, for example, consider how much Jack Welch got paid while bringing GE
from a $7B company to a $35B company.

Fact is, without unions, the airpline industry wouldn't have blossomed into
what i was and, more importantly, be as safe as it is today.




End of story.

Bertie

"Robert M. Gary" wrote in news:a3d92f7a-fd7f-4bcb-bcc7-
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On Nov 26, 11:34 am, Larry Dighera wrote:
On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 09:50:24 -0800 (PST), "Robert M. Gary"
wrote in
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In short, when a union is
involved you do not have a free market (the employeer has his hands
tied and his nuts in a vice).

And without a union, employees are in a similar situation.

Again that is the myth that labor tries to put out there.


No, it isn't



Bertie

JGalban via AviationKB.com wrote:
Realistically, most of the airline-bound young pilots I know don't
care about any of that. They just want to fly for a living, and
they'll do whatever is required to get into an airline cockpit.
I'm not saying it's right on the part of the airlines, or smart on
the part of the pilots, but it seems to have been (and still be) the
way it is.



And there is the problem. In the past it was pretty much an internship into
a REALLY good paying and respected job with the majors so kids were willing
to put up with it. Now days the pay at the majors is down and the respect is
WAY down.

"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in message
And there is the problem. In the past it was pretty much an internship
into
a REALLY good paying and respected job with the majors so kids were
willing
to put up with it. Now days the pay at the majors is down and the respect
is
WAY down.


It's no wonder that the airlines are going to have to hire inexperienced
pilots. They're trying to dismantle their training ground (general aviation)

Gig 601XL Builder wrote:
JGalban via AviationKB.com wrote:
Realistically, most of the airline-bound young pilots I know don't
care about any of that. They just want to fly for a living, and
they'll do whatever is required to get into an airline cockpit.
I'm not saying it's right on the part of the airlines, or smart on
the part of the pilots, but it seems to have been (and still be) the
way it is.



And there is the problem. In the past it was pretty much an internship into
a REALLY good paying and respected job with the majors so kids were willing
to put up with it. Now days the pay at the majors is down and the respect is
WAY down.



Greyhound bus drivers make more than regional pilots.

The crash is coming

On Nov 26, 10:48 pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

And without a union, employees are in a similar situation.

Again that is the myth that labor tries to put out there.

No, it isn't

Many of us have a great successful career without every being a member
of a union. In fact, most Americans are not union members. In fact,
the top paying jobs in the U.S. are non-union. So I think your point
is countered.

-Robert

On Nov 26, 10:48 pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Fact is, without unions, the airpline industry wouldn't have blossomed into
what i was and, more importantly, be as safe as it is today.

End of story.

Whenever someone presents opinions as facts (especially as inarguable
facts) my B.S. detector starts to blow up.

-Robert