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Jay Honeck wrote: But, I'm going to name it here, this has not happened with black Americans, or more properly I should say that it has not happened for too many of them. This isn't about simple racism anymore- I've ridden At the University of Iowa we are blessed with the occasional visiting African professor. The University hospital also gets a fair number of visiting doctors from Africa -- and we are occasionally able to house them in comfort at the inn. I've become friendly with several, and have two personal friends from Zaire. (One of whom escaped the last revolution dressed as a woman.) All, without exception, have told me the *exact* same thing. In fact, these very black men and women have displayed more overt "racism" toward American Blacks than any white folks I've ever met. They display utter contempt and disdain for people born into such wealth who continue to show no interest in personal advancement. Drawing sharp lines in this area is so tricky. I am a hug believer in personal responsibility, but at some point you have to concede a social failure as well. Sure, lock up the criminals, and throw away the key; black crime harms black victims twice as much as it harms white victims. But when you hear that something around 50% of black men under the age of 25 have done some kind of jail time, something larger is wrong. America is slowly waking up to the disaster of our underclass. Yes, and this is where I break with the left on "root causes." No question there are social issues to be addressed but what, and how? This article is a bit technical but hits the key points: http://www.city-journal.com/html/15_3_black_family.html I was typing up a good why-the-left-is-dumb rant in here, but I'm walking away from it because I'd like to think that maybe the tragedy of watching a city go mad will shock us out of the usual I-know-you-are-but-what-am-I partisan grandstanding that accompanies any debate these days. Doesn't mean I'm ready to pour money into things that we've tried before and watched fail but it does mean giving up on placing blame. As Ronald Reagan was fond of saying, "there's no limit to what you can accomplish when you don't care who gets the credit." The Right has often been behind the curve on diagnosing to the existence of a problem in our cities while the Left has often prescribed the wrong medicine. So what, water under the bridge (tasteless pun not intended). We're all Americans today and that's what counts. -cwk. |
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"Jay Honeck" wrote in message news:cMERe.80425$084.44486@attbi_s22... And now, for some aviation content: The looters in New Orleans are SHOOTING at rescue helicopters! They are just exercising their constitutional right to bear arms;-) http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4205074.stm |
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"Jay Honeck" wrote in message news:atDRe.80341$084.15014@attbi_s22... Thank you. I couldn't have said it better. What some people call "tradition" and "the comfort of staying near home" many of us call "stupid" and "ignorant". Those people died for NOTHING. -- Jay, you are my hero, so perfect, so right in everything you say, you even surpass Jesus in your wisdom. |
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"Jay Honeck" wrote in message news:NDERe.321322$xm3.97573@attbi_s21... Regardless of why people stayed in NO, they are there and we need to help them. They have lost literally everything they have. Pointing our fingers at the vicitms right now is not helping. And help them we shall. No one is pointing fingers at the victims -- we're discussing the stupidity of man on an aviation newsgroup. It seems to more about discussing the stupidity of a man on an aviation newsgroup |
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It would have been a hell of a lot cheaper to round up as many military
vehicles to form a human convoy to pack everybody a few hundred miles away befor it hit the fan than paying to pick up mangled bodies afterwards. Oh, wait, I forgot. Most of the military vehicles are keeping democracy safe in a country that doesn't WANT us there. How could I forget? Jim "George Patterson" wrote in message news:IevRe.12899$LK.9312@trndny09... Newps wrote: With a ride to the bus station and a three day headstart? All the way to Iowa. With what money? George Patterson Give a person a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a person to use the Internet and he won't bother you for weeks. |
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Bob Fry wrote in message ...
"js" == john smith writes: js My perception is hundreds of billions in the south vice tens js of billions for the midwest. js The midwest tax base is steadily shrinking do to loss of jobs js to other locals. Money repeatedly spent to hurricane damaged js infrastructure in the south siphons money away from repairing js the crumbling midwest infrastructure even once. And this is for Jay: can't you show, just once, even one day after a major disaster, some normal human compassion? Of course there shouldn't be a major city 4 feet below sea level or whatever it is. There shouldn't be all sorts of things. But as someone who lives in California--the Midwest's ATM machine--I know all about paying for other people's stupid decisions. It's damn ironic for someone from the Midwest, the red-ink and red-state heartland, Jay lives in Berkely by the Cornfield, the Athens of the Midwest. Actually, that's "Upper Midwest". Iowa City is a Deep Blue spot in a Very Blue county in the Quite Blue half of Iowa. The Upper Midwest is Bluish Purple Heartland. And what conservatism there is is probably very different from you may think of as conservative. to lecture us on where to live and sucking precious tax dollars. Sucking tax dollars is ok if they go to people who vote for Democrats but not for people who vote for Republicans, I guess. That's compassion for some liberals. BTW, my politics lean a bit left, in case you're wondering. After spending about 25 years in Iowa and the next 25 in and around Chicago, I think Iowa conservatives generally do a better job than Chicago liberals at the stuff liberals say is compassion. Now to the off-topic at hand. Maybe someone can figure out how to use the world's biggest silt transportion system to fill in New Orleans, and they can rebuild it above sea level. That will put Iowa's main export to good use. Maybe Iowa can even tax the topsoil. Jay, I do agree with the folks who have said there were large numbers of people who simply had no means of leaving, but I think the city needed to have better evacuation plans in place. - Rick |
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RST Engineering wrote in message ...
It would have been a hell of a lot cheaper to round up as many military vehicles to form a human convoy to pack everybody a few hundred miles away befor it hit the fan than paying to pick up mangled bodies afterwards. Oh, wait, I forgot. Most of the military vehicles are keeping democracy safe in a country that doesn't WANT us there. How could I forget? I'll bet there could have been better solutions, and I'll bet that there actually are enough military vehicles. I simply think there wasn't enough planning and solutions in place. - Rick |
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And now, for some aviation content: The looters in New Orleans are
SHOOTING at rescue helicopters! They are just exercising their constitutional right to bear arms;-) Which they looted from the WalMart, according to the news reports! |
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Rick wrote:
I'll bet there could have been better solutions, and I'll bet that there actually are enough military vehicles. I simply think there wasn't enough planning and solutions in place. It sure makes one wonder where all those hundreds of billions of Homeland Security tax dollars are going? Imagine if this had been a real disaster? |
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RST Engineering wrote: .... Oh, wait, I forgot. Most of the military vehicles are keeping democracy safe in a country that doesn't WANT us there. Nearly all Iraqis want us there. The insurgent anachists are the ones that don't. |
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