Go around, NOW!!

On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 15:31:54 -0800, "C J Campbell"
wrote:


"Jim Burns" wrote in message
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Although he sounded rude it was obvious he wasn't having a good day and at
the very least had his hands full, I'm just curious about what standard
procedures are for tower controllers

He did not just sound rude. He was rude. The standard procedure is to behave
in a professional manner. This guy lost it, has lost it before, and is
likely to do it again.

I would not be surprised if he vectored the Cessna to the wrong runway in
the first place.

Well, regardless of the issue at hand, the OP did say the person was
running tower+ground+clearance simultaneously. I don't think towers
provide vectors, that's usually handled by an approach or center
(depending on what services are available in the area). At least
let's get him for things he was actually doing...

Am I reading this right that the pilot involved set himself up to land
against the departing traffic? No excuse for how it was handled, but
still..

Wow... I didn't know Lawrenceville was a class C... class D maybe but...
sheesh, the area must have grown a lot since I left there a year ago.

Jim Burns wrote:

11:00am Sunday morning

There would have been at least 4 controllers on duty, possibly more.
Would have been a bad deal for the manager.

Peter Clark wrote:




Well, regardless of the issue at hand, the OP did say the person was
running tower+ground+clearance simultaneously. I don't think towers
provide vectors,

It was a class C field. Towers at class C can provide vectors.


that's usually handled by an approach

Yes.


or center

No, not at a class C.


(depending on what services are available in the area). At least
let's get him for things he was actually doing...

All class C's provide the same service at 11 am on a Sunday morning.



Am I reading this right that the pilot involved set himself up to land
against the departing traffic?

Yes, and depending on what kind of training happens in the area this
wouldn't be unusual. Perhaps there was a recent windshift.

Speaking of controllers on duty, I learned during a recent tower visit that
there is only one controller on duty during the overnight at my local Class
C tower. Who handles tower duties when the controller has to do a "number
two"?

"Newps" wrote in message
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Jim Burns wrote:

11:00am Sunday morning

There would have been at least 4 controllers on duty, possibly more. Would
have been a bad deal for the manager.

I understand that only the best controllers get selected for OSH duty

No. Anybody from the Great Lakes region, and only that region, is
eligible. That's the only criteria.

Just curious; where did you get that information?
--
Jim in NC

"Brad Zeigler" wrote in message
...
Speaking of controllers on duty, I learned during a recent tower visit
that
there is only one controller on duty during the overnight at my local
Class
C tower. Who handles tower duties when the controller has to do a "number
two"?

Approach? Or maybe they keep a handheld handy...

Jose wrote:
I think that the pilot requesting taxi
instructions was unaware that CD was also on the same freq


...which brings up another pet peeve - controllers who use both
frequencies to broadcast on. I'm on tower and hearing a lot of ground
radio traffic, I turn to ground and hear the same ground traffic, and
can't get a word in edgewise. So my motor's running at the threshold
while three airplanes are taxiied into place, two aircraft get IFR
clearances and a reroute... what's a pilot to do?

A controller using multiple freqs was a contributing factor in an ASRS report I
filed one time. Briefly, I called clearance, was read my clearance and given a
taxi clearance on the CD frequency, was told to follow another aircraft. I
continued to monitor the freq I was on (CD), didn't realize that the aircraft I
was following had switched to the tower freq. I followed the other aircraft
right out onto an active runway. I thought he was crossing that runway enroute
to another one, but he had actually been cleared for takeoff. Clearly an error
on my part, but IMO the use of broadcasting on multiple freqs was a contributing
factor.

"Blanche" wrote in message

I've noticed road rage... And the one being
hostile is always the one who is wrong .....

I disagree. It is wrong to react with hostility, but the genesis of that
frustration and the ultimate cause of the rage is usually found elsewhere.
There are incredible numbers of oblivious people driving cars, some of them
truly stupid. The only real requirement is to *pay attention*, and they
fail at even that.

On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 16:49:04 -0600, "Jim Burns"
wrote in
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the IFR pilot was expected to read back the clearance but hesitated.

While it is, of course, not mandatory for a pilot to read back his IFR
clearance, s/he should have at least acknowledged its receipt.