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$1500 Cash Reward---- Thieves Caught and Jailed
On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 13:30:11 -0700, "RST Engineering"
wrote: Would'ja check the tense on that verb? I think "has broken" is more descriptive. How can it be broken down? Look at all the people in jail! Don |
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Gig 601XL Builder wrote:
Here's the problem Larry. If the criminal justice system were to do what would be required to stop prison rapes and other assaults and crime in prison, the liberals in the country would be calling that and assault on the rights of those in prison. Prison is a bad place and it is supposed to be. It is full of bad people and it is supposed to be. The only real fix for prisoner on prisoner crime is to work them so hard that when they are not working they sleep. I agree that this would be a much better approach that allowing them to watch TV and lounge in the law library. Matt |
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Larry Dighera wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 13:10:22 -0500, "Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in : Here's the problem Larry. If the criminal justice system were to do what would be required to stop prison rapes and other assaults and crime in prison, the liberals in the country would be calling that and assault on the rights of those in prison. What is it that YOU feel would be required to enforce the laws in prisons? Prison is a bad place and it is supposed to be. Are you able to cite any authoritative or even credible information that supports your assertion? Are you? The only real fix for prisoner on prisoner crime is to work them so hard that when they are not working they sleep. Perhaps. Perhaps? Grow a spine. The real fix is to purge the jails of those inmates who are incarcerated for victimless crimes, so that there would be adequate penal facilities to separate the violent criminals from the general inmate population and it would free prison personnel to enforce the laws. But that's not going to happen as long as the religious right is in power, Congress is corrupt, and the general population is so uneducated and apathetic as to be unconcerned with injustice. What is a victimless crime? I'm sure you are going to say smoking pot, but I have my rebuttal ready. :-) Matt |
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In article ,
john smith wrote: Tossing someone in jail also (should) have a side-effect of protecting society from a criminal (at least until rehabilitated). Are you using Paris Hilton as an example? NO -- Bob Noel (goodness, please trim replies!!!) |
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(You could book a prisoner in our "Red Baron Suite" for less than what
we pay per prisoner, nowadays...) How would you keep him there? Uh, well, obviously you haven't stayed in our Red Baron Suite. Jacuzzi hot tub, full kitchen, delivered breakfast each morning, balcony overlooking Rwy 25, maid service... Personally, I wouldn't mind staying there forever... -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" |
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Personally, I would classify Charles Manson as bad, and John Hinkley
as deranged, not necessarily bad, drug users as sick, and a good portion of those in jail as mentally defective. Each classification requires different treatment, but none deserve to be abused. Larry, let's talk turkey here. This problem was entirely created by liberal (what a stupid, inaccurate name!) politicians who -- in the name of "personal rights" -- have made it completely impossible to commit someone to a mental hospital against their will. Because it would be a violation of their personal "rights" to send them to a place where they can get the help they so desperately need, they are placed in "out-patient care" -- with no enforcement or repercussions if they don't show up for treatment. And, of course, they don't show up. Nor do they take their meds, which make them feel worse, not better. So, what happens to these people? They fall through the cracks of society. After years of drug or alcohol abuse, they are so damaged that they are incapable of holding a job. Their abuse also triggers long bouts of deep depression, when they are completely unable to function in society. With no real help available (again, thanks to the "liberal" politicians, who have closed all the mental hospitals) they have two very real, very awful choices: Starve, or steal. We all know what their activity of choice is -- you or I would make the same choice. They then end up in prison, mixed in with the truly awful, truly violent criminals. It's a horrible, awful, terribly unfair system that has been ENTIRELY created by well-meaning people just like YOU, who thought that the minor abuses then taking place in the mental hospitals merited their complete and utter elimination. Blaming this on "Bush" or the "Religious Right" is so completely illogical, and so completely ludicrous, that I just had to speak up. This problem is just one of many stemming from Lyndon Johnson's "Great Society", which wreaked havoc on so much of our nation -- all done with the best of intentions by naive, inexperienced -- no, let's say it like it is -- STUPID people. Why/how do I know all this? Because I've got a 57-year old drug and alcohol-dependent sister who has spent much of her adult life in and out of "treatment programs", and is now facing prison time for repeat drunken driving. She's lost her home, her career, her husband, her son, and everything she held dear, thanks to her illness. Over the years our family has tried on multiple occasions to get her the help she so desperately needed, to no avail. Under the system folks like you created, her "rights" as a mentally ill person have guaranteed her a life of living hell. Because she can't be committed, no help is possible until she demands it -- and waiting for a mentally ill person to recognize that they need help can be a long wait, indeed. -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" The only real fix for prisoner on prisoner crime is to work them so hard that when they are not working they sleep. Perhaps. The real fix is to purge the jails of those inmates who are incarcerated for victimless crimes, so that there would be adequate penal facilities to separate the violent criminals from the general inmate population and it would free prison personnel to enforce the laws. But that's not going to happen as long as the religious right is in power, Congress is corrupt, and the general population is so uneducated and apathetic as to be unconcerned with injustice. |
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("Jay Honeck" wrote)
Uh, well, obviously you haven't stayed in our Red Baron Suite. Jacuzzi hot tub, full kitchen, delivered breakfast each morning, balcony overlooking Rwy 25, maid service... How would you keep him there? I was going to suggest this tried and true solution: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0065051/ Support Your Local Sheriff (1969) (Jason McCullough) "Gentlemen, do we have a jail here?" (Mayor Olly Perkins) "Do we have a jail? A brand new one with two cells that the whole community pitched in and built last month!" (Fred Johnson) "Just like a barn raising." (Henry Jackson) "Even the dancehall girls showed up. They made sandwiches and carried on like crazy." (Mayor Olly Perkins) "It was designed to be practically escape proof." (Jason McCullough) "Well, good, because I think I'm going to have to throw a couple of people in it." (Mayor Olly Perkins) "There's only one thing. This new jail is sure got everything." (Fred Johnson) "Even a new stove with a coffee pot already on it." (Mayor Olly Perkins) "The only thing it hasn't got is iron bars for the cells." [....later] (Joe Danby) "You expect me to sit here in this lousy cell on that..." [notices the red paint drippings on the floor] (Joe Danby) "What is that red stuff all over the floor there?" (Jason McCullough) "Oh, uh..." [waves his boot over the paint] (Jason McCullough) "...that's the poor fella that crossed the line earlier today." [...and later, still] (Joe Danby) "Pa, you always told me there wasn't a jail been built that could hold a Danby." (Pa Danby) "Well, now they've built one!" (Joe Danby) "Aww." (Pa Danby) "You'll have to stay here for a couple of days." (Joe Danby) "But we run this town." (Pa Danby) "I gotta throw in with that sheriff that you don't exactly dazzle nobody with your intelligence." P-Mont |
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Are you using Paris Hilton as an example?
With any luck she consequences of ignoring the DUI statutes... or will have become educated to the the judge. None of us stays young and stupid forever. She could change. Is she likely to change faster than ordinary citizens? Jose -- There are two kinds of people in the world. Those that just want to know what button to push, and those that want to know what happens when they push the button. for Email, make the obvious change in the address. |
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What is a victimless crime? I'm sure you are going to say smoking pot, but I have my rebuttal ready. :-)
I'll bite. Who's the victim there, and how is it different from smoking tobacco or drinking wine? Jose -- There are two kinds of people in the world. Those that just want to know what button to push, and those that want to know what happens when they push the button. for Email, make the obvious change in the address. |
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$1500 Cash Reward---- Thieves Caught and Jailed
Uh, well, obviously you haven't stayed in our Red Baron Suite.
Jacuzzi hot tub, full kitchen, delivered breakfast each morning, balcony overlooking Rwy 25, maid service... Well, that's a great life for a prisoner. I bet you even have a comfy chair, and soft pillows! Jose -- There are two kinds of people in the world. Those that just want to know what button to push, and those that want to know what happens when they push the button. for Email, make the obvious change in the address. |
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