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I seem to remember reading somewhere that there is a law that prohibits
civilian aircraft, and that includes police aircraft, from having any type of armaments attached. |
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Mutts wrote:
Wouldnt a cannon on a police helicopter solve a lot of problems for law enforcement? Is it possible to put a round right through the engine block of a suspect fleeing and stop them from killing innocents? Seems like that kind of accuracy is possible now isnt it? When those guys were robbing the bank in LA, seems like it would have been an easy shot to make from a helicopter even without a cannon. ISTM that a much better target for the cannon might be the centre of the vehicle's roof...why waste a perfectly good engine block?... -- -Gord. |
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"Gord Beaman" wrote in message
news | Mutts wrote: | | | Wouldnt a cannon on a police helicopter solve a lot of | problems for law enforcement? | | Is it possible to put a round right through the engine block | of a suspect fleeing and stop them from killing innocents? | Seems like that kind of accuracy is possible now isnt it? | | When those guys were robbing the bank in LA, seems like | it would have been an easy shot to make from a helicopter | even without a cannon. | | ISTM that a much better target for the cannon might be the | centre of the vehicle's roof...why waste a perfectly good engine | block?... | -- | | -Gord. Certainly would have saved a lot of time and expense on the OJ trial. "If you can't find the hands, you must acquit" Cheers Dave Kearton |
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"Thomas Schoene" wrote in
hlink.net: Jim Yanik wrote: "Ragnar" wrote in : Excellent question! I've always thought they should put at least an M-60 on the police choppers. Would put a stop to the car chases real quick. Or they could use a Barrett light 50 M82A1 .50BMG rifle. If they can't get a car with 10 rounds.... The US Coast Guard--which occupies a grey zone between law enforcement and military--has begun arming some helicopters to stop fleeing high-speed boats. Their approach has been to use a machinegun for warning shots, followed by a hand-held .50-cal rifle to shoot to disable the engines. However, this does not translate well to regular police use. The USCG is dealing with isolated targets on the high seas, with no chance of stray shots hitting civilians. The rules for stopping smugglers at sea are also less restrictive than the use of force rules for domestic police forces. This is one area where the Coasties benefit from their semi-military status. For comparison, civilian law enforcement offficers are usually *forbidden* to fire warning shots because of the risk to bystanders. They are also forbidden to use lethal force unless necessary to protect themselves or a bystander. "He was getting away" is generally not sufficient justification for shooting at someone, unless you have reason to believe he's going to threaten another person once he's out of sight. -- Tom Schoene Replace "invalid" with "net" to e-mail "Our country, right or wrong. When right, to be kept right, when wrong to be put right." - Senator Carl Schurz, 1872 Shooting into an auto's engine would not be use of deadly force against the occupants. I read an article about the CG,that they use a BOLT-action ..50cal against the hi-speed boats,so,they only get ONE shot at the boat,unless they reload,which takes a relatively large amount of time. I suspect they are accurate with that first single shot. Besides,a hi-speed vehicle chase certainly IS a threat to other citizens lives;frequently people die or get severely injured because of collisions with fleeing vehicles.And that doens't consider property damage,either. Also,the shot fired from a helicopter would be headed sharply DOWNwards,and would most likely penetrate pavement if it missed the vehicle.I doubt it would ricochet. -- Jim Yanik jyanik-at-kua.net |
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"Paul F Austin" wrote in
: "Jim Yanik" wrote in message .. . "Paul F Austin" wrote in news "Ragnar" wrote "Mutts" wrote ... Wouldnt a cannon on a police helicopter solve a lot of problems for law enforcement? Excellent question! I've always thought they should put at least an M-60 on the police choppers. Would put a stop to the car chases real quick. That sounds about right. If the police are going to use armed helos, they need sufficient firepower. I would want at_least_an M60 turret welded on the bottom of each one. Maybe an M1 turret would be better. Or two. Can't have enough firepower. Are you suggesting an AC-130 gunship??? 8-) No, I'm suggesting that armed police helos should be "armed" to the point that they can't get wheels up. I don't trust police with automatic weapons much less anything heavier. Why,has there been any significant number of wrongful shootings involving automatic weapons fire from police? (and Waco was not police,it was ATF-troop) ISTR that many non-US countries police are armed with automatic weapons,too.Maybe they have more problems in that area? -- Jim Yanik jyanik-at-kua.net |
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"Jim Yanik" wrote . "Paul F Austin" wrote "Jim Yanik" wrote in message Are you suggesting an AC-130 gunship??? 8-) No, I'm suggesting that armed police helos should be "armed" to the point that they can't get wheels up. I don't trust police with automatic weapons much less anything heavier. Why,has there been any significant number of wrongful shootings involving automatic weapons fire from police? (and Waco was not police,it was ATF-troop) ISTR that many non-US countries police are armed with automatic weapons,too.Maybe they have more problems in that area? Because here's what automatic weapons fire is used for in ground combat; automatic weapons are used to suppress enemy fire while other troops slink around back and grease the bad guys. That tactic is singularly inappropriate in policing because of the inevitable presence of bystanders. In the hands of police, automatic weapons become 18-shooter Glocks on steroids: indiscriminant fire. I have little respect for the marksmanship of most police and from close contact, no better opinion of the tactical squads. As it happens, my club has a large IPSC contingent and also a large Class III group. Twice a year, they hold a joint shoot. Each time, the pistoleros outshoot the subgunners. There is a proper role for riflemen but automatic weapons fire is indiscriminant and inappropriate in policing. |
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"Mutts" wrote in message
... Wouldnt a cannon on a police helicopter solve a lot of problems for law enforcement? Until it missed and hit something innocent. Is it possible to put a round right through the engine block of a suspect fleeing and stop them from killing innocents? Ask the Israelis, they have lots of experience taking out cars in an urban environment. Then again, they aren't worried about collateral damage.......... Seems like that kind of accuracy is possible now isnt it? Perhaps a simplified low cost homing weapon. One round, one hit. Make it low yield, just enough to do the job but not enough to take out too much if it misses. When those guys were robbing the bank in LA, seems like it would have been an easy shot to make from a helicopter even without a cannon. Helo Sniper would be sufficient. Unfortunately it's not cost effective to have every police helo carrying a trained sniper. Whats up? public outcry or something? Most likely public outcry would stop it, then the cost. -- The Raven http://www.80scartoons.co.uk/batfinkquote.mp3 ** President of the ozemail.* and uunet.* NG's ** since August 15th 2000. |
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I know exactly what I am talking about. The NRA types need to diss the
police to justify their need for weapons. They do it all the time. It makes the sane gun owners look bad. GOA types are worse. [GOA = Gone On Arrival] Jim Yanik wrote in message ... (miso) wrote in om: It never fails. Those who spit on the cops are members of the NRA or GOA. That's hilarious,considering the NRA -runs- many police training programs,and many police are NRA members. IOW,you don't know what you're talking about. iespam (N329DF) wrote in message ... Wouldnt a cannon on a police helicopter solve a lot of problems for law enforcement? Let's see, the average cop on the street can't hit a thing with a side arm unless he fires 10+ shots, and you want to give them a cannon ? Matt Gunsch, A&P,IA,Private Pilot Riding member of the 2003 world champion drill team Arizona Precision Motorcycle Drill Team GWRRA,NRA,GOA |
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