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Way off topic, but it has do to with rednecks
On Fri, 29 Feb 2008 06:10:04 +0100 (CET), Nomen Nescio
wrote: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- From: "Jay Honeck" Don't forget the plane that was brought down by the passengers. That one was supposedly aimed at the Washington, possibly the White House. I suppose that's questionable since the plane never made it. But I think you missed my point. If you were going to take out the WTC, the Pentagon, and Congress (or the White House). Which one would you hit FIRST? UAL 93 took off 45 minutes late. |
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Way off topic, but it has do to with rednecks
Recently, Dudley Henriques posted:
Jay Honeck wrote: It's a plausible explanation, except for one thing: We're dealing with people who strap explosives to mentally handicapped people and blow up school buses. These aren't the sharpest sticks in the bunch, and I think you're giving them more credit for strategic thinking than they deserve. Well....don't forget that the strategic thinking doesn't happen at the suicide bomber level. That's a bit above their pay grade I would imagine. The bombers are simply the "tools" of the movement. The "thinking" comes much higher up, and these people are the chess players. I have always believed that 9-11 was devised by the chess players to create the exact result it has achieved. I've never for a moment believed that those buildings were brought down to destroy the buildings or kill the people. That to me was simply the "tool" designed to open the door that the "thinkers" believed would split the United States wide open politically which it and the events post 9-11 certainly has done. Now that the country has been split like it has, the scenario for the "thinkers" has changed. Another attack would undue what they have achieved and re-unite the country against them. In other words, using the immortal phrases of one Kenny Rogers, "You got to know when to hold up!!" To me, the terrorist strategy is glaringly apparent. You first split the country, then you let it destroy itself from within. You sit back and watch. It's the old divide and conquer all over again, only this time it smells of camel crap :-) Well said, and the only thing that surprises me (somewhat) is how well this tactic worked on us. One way that I see it is that some people saw a way to profit from the situation, and did all they could to play into the hands of those "strategic thinkers". I don't think it's a coincidence that most of those 9/11 participants were from a country that we consider an ally. Or that we've essentially eliminated that country's competition in the region. Or that we've set up and funded "private armies" that will have an existance far beyond our formal military involvements in the region. Or that those same "patriots" have managed to get us to pay them to "offshore" their existance, so they really don't care how bad things get for the rest of us because life can be quite comfy in may other places in the world. The only question that remains is whether we are up to what it will take to change this course. -- Neil |
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Flydive wrote:
Gig 601XL Builder wrote: Did we get all of them? No. But we did pretty well. And last time I checked there hasn't been a terrorist attack on US soil since. And how many in the 30 previous years? WTF? How many times had Japan attacked us in the 30 years prior to 12/7/41? |
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Way off topic, but it has do to with the French
"Phil J" wrote in message ... Yeah, the collaboration is part of it. But I think the French had an extra-embarrassing surrender because they had invested so much in their "impregnable" Maginot line. When the Germans simply went around it, it really made the French look like fools. Why does that make the French look like fools? If the Germans had gone THROUGH their "impregnable" Maginot line the French would surely have looked like fools, but forcing the Germans to circumvent the line was one of the reasons for building it. The French expected the Maginot Line to be bypassed and had therefore massed the majority of their army on the Belgian border. The Germans rolled over those troops rather easily. The few Maginot fortifications which were actually attacked by the Germans held up rather well. |
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Way off topic, but it has do to with the French
Jay Honeck schrieb:
No, what makes the French the butt of so many jokes was their collaboration with the Nazis after the surrender. The Vichy government was an abomination. Of course it never dawned upon you that the governement was not "the French"? Ever heard of something like the Résistence? |
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"Flydive" wrote in message ... And how many in the 30 previous years? Well, let's see, there was the WTC bombing in 1993, the Empire State Building shootings in 1997, hmmm, that's all I can recall. Do I win? |
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Way off topic, but it has do to with the French
On Feb 29, 8:16*am, "Steven P. McNicoll"
wrote: "Phil J" wrote in message ... Yeah, the collaboration is part of it. *But I think the French had an extra-embarrassing surrender because they had invested so much in their "impregnable" Maginot line. *When the Germans simply went around it, it really made the French look like fools. Why does that make the French look like fools? *If the Germans had gone THROUGH their "impregnable" Maginot line the French would surely have looked like fools, but forcing the Germans to circumvent the line was one of the reasons for building it. *The French expected the Maginot Line to be bypassed and had therefore massed the majority of their army on the Belgian border. *The Germans rolled over those troops rather easily. *The few Maginot fortifications which were actually attacked by the Germans held up rather well. The purpose of the line was to prevent the Germans from invading France, or at least hold them back long enough that the French could mobilize their army to repel them. The line did succeed in forcing the Germans to move some of their invasion force through Belgium. But the French didn't believe the Germans could invade through the Ardennes forest, so they left a gap in the Maginot line there. The Germans sent a majority of their invasion force through that gap, which allowed them to swing north and flank the French defenders massed on the Belgian border. Because of this the Maginot line is generally considered a failure, and leaving the Ardennes gap is considered a huge blunder by the French. Obviously, this is all 2020 hindsight. Phil |
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On Mar 1, 3:38 am, "Steven P. McNicoll"
wrote: "Flydive" wrote in message ... And how many in the 30 previous years? Well, let's see, there was the WTC bombing in 1993, the Empire State Building shootings in 1997, hmmm, that's all I can recall. Do I win? There were the attacks on embassies and the hijackings |
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Way off topic, but it has do to with rednecks
"george" wrote in message ... There were the attacks on embassies and the hijackings True dat. I limited my count to attacks on the US itself by groups of Middle East origin. |
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Way off topic, but it has do to with the French
wrote in message ... NonFrance is mainly Paris and the Cote de Azur area. The NonFrench are mostly obnoxious b*st*** who are only after your money. The good thing about them is that they treat everybody like low life scum no matter were you come from. Ah, yeah. Out here we call that Dallas. *duck* |
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