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"Full length"
What does it mean when a controller says "Cleared for landing full
length", or "cleared for takeoff full length"? I've never heard this said until I started flying out of this airport I'm based at now which has a 11,800 ft. runway. Does it mean he wants me to land further down towards the middle of the runway? In the past, I've always disregarded the phrase "full length" as quasi- meaningless "supplemental" information (such as "#2 for landing"). I've made about 20 landings so far here, and 3 of them resulted in a plane behind me having to do a go-around, so maybe there is something more to it. But then again, why would it even matter. I'm I'm still on the runway, the controller can't clear anyone else for takeoff anyways until I turn off the taxiway... Can someone shed some light on this? |
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"Full length"
buttman wrote:
But then again, why would it even matter. I'm I'm still on the runway, the controller can't clear anyone else for takeoff anyways until I turn off the taxiway... Can someone shed some light on this? I've never heard it on landing, but on takeoff it's used when the taxiway doesn't go all the way to the threshold so full length lets you back taxi down to get the "full length." The term I hear on landing is "roll to the end." This means you can continue straight ahead on the runway (usually at a higher rate of speed) rather than slowing down and turning off at the first practicable taxiway. |
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On Mar 5, 12:17 pm, "buttman" wrote:
What does it mean when a controller says "Cleared for landing full length", or "cleared for takeoff full length"? I've never heard this said until I started flying out of this airport I'm based at now which has a 11,800 ft. runway. Does it mean he wants me to land further down towards the middle of the runway? In the past, I've always disregarded the phrase "full length" as quasi- meaningless "supplemental" information (such as "#2 for landing"). I've made about 20 landings so far here, and 3 of them resulted in a plane behind me having to do a go-around, so maybe there is something more to it. But then again, why would it even matter. I'm I'm still on the runway, the controller can't clear anyone else for takeoff anyways until I turn off the taxiway... Can someone shed some light on this? Not sure about landing, but for departure, it means there may be another aircraft waiting for takeoff at an intersection. By stating "full length", they put one more bit of redundant information in there to reduce the chance that the plane at the intersection mistakenly thinks he's the one cleared to take off. http://www.faa.gov/ATpubs/ATC/Chp3/atc0307.html Search that page for "full length". Note that the phrase is required if another aircraft is waiting at an intersection; optional if there are no other aircraft waiting. |
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On Mar 5, 2:17 pm, "buttman" wrote:
What does it mean when a controller says "Cleared for landing full length", or "cleared for takeoff full length"? I've never heard this said until I started flying out of this airport I'm based at now which has a 11,800 ft. runway. Does it mean he wants me to land further down towards the middle of the runway? In the past, I've always disregarded the phrase "full length" as quasi- meaningless "supplemental" information (such as "#2 for landing"). I've made about 20 landings so far here, and 3 of them resulted in a plane behind me having to do a go-around, so maybe there is something more to it. But then again, why would it even matter. I'm I'm still on the runway, the controller can't clear anyone else for takeoff anyways until I turn off the taxiway... Can someone shed some light on this? On landing I would take it to mean I didn't need to hold short of crossing runways, for one thing. -- Gene Seibel Gene & Sue's Aeroplanes - http://pad39a.com/gene/planes.html Because we fly, we envy no one. |
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On Mar 5, 3:37 pm, "Gene Seibel" wrote:
On Mar 5, 2:17 pm, "buttman" wrote: What does it mean when a controller says "Cleared for landing full length", or "cleared for takeoff full length"? I've never heard this said until I started flying out of this airport I'm based at now which has a 11,800 ft. runway. Does it mean he wants me to land further down towards the middle of the runway? In the past, I've always disregarded the phrase "full length" as quasi- meaningless "supplemental" information (such as "#2 for landing"). I've made about 20 landings so far here, and 3 of them resulted in a plane behind me having to do a go-around, so maybe there is something more to it. But then again, why would it even matter. I'm I'm still on the runway, the controller can't clear anyone else for takeoff anyways until I turn off the taxiway... Can someone shed some light on this? On landing I would take it to mean I didn't need to hold short of crossing runways, for one thing. -- Gene Seibel Gene & Sue's Aeroplanes -http://pad39a.com/gene/planes.html Because we fly, we envy no one.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Gene has it right. When I've landed (occassionally) at big airports with long runways for heavy metal, I've heard the "full length" clearance. Use as much of the runway as needed. Its the opposite of "after landing, hold short of runway xx". --Jeff |
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"buttman" wrote in message ups.com... What does it mean when a controller says "Cleared for landing full length", or "cleared for takeoff full length"? I've never heard this said until I started flying out of this airport I'm based at now which has a 11,800 ft. runway. Does it mean he wants me to land further down towards the middle of the runway? In the past, I've always disregarded the phrase "full length" as quasi- meaningless "supplemental" information (such as "#2 for landing"). I've made about 20 landings so far here, and 3 of them resulted in a plane behind me having to do a go-around, so maybe there is something more to it. But then again, why would it even matter. I'm I'm still on the runway, the controller can't clear anyone else for takeoff anyways until I turn off the taxiway... Can someone shed some light on this? "Runway two four full length position and hold", and "Runway two four full length cleared for takeoff." are used when aircraft are departing from the approach end and also from intersections. "Cleared for landing full length" is nonstandard phraseology and only the issuing controller can tell you what it means. My best guess is he means all of the runway is available to you, which is also what "Cleared to land" means. |
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"Full length"
"Gene Seibel" wrote in message oups.com... On landing I would take it to mean I didn't need to hold short of crossing runways, for one thing. How would that differ from, "Cleared to land"? |
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On Mar 5, 3:52 pm, "Steven P. McNicoll"
wrote: "Gene Seibel" wrote in message oups.com... On landing I would take it to mean I didn't need to hold short of crossing runways, for one thing. How would that differ from, "Cleared to land"? Differs from land and hold short. -- Gene Seibel Gene & Sue's Aeroplanes - http://pad39a.com/gene/planes.html Because we fly, we envy no one. |
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"Full length"
What Steve said. Also, you are wrong in thinking that the controller can't
clear anyone else for takeoff until you have turned off onto a taxiway. If the airplane taking off is a similar type to yours (light single, for example), all the controller needs befor issuing the takeoff clearance is 3000 feet of separation. Controller's discretion, of course. Bob Gardner "Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message ink.net... "buttman" wrote in message ups.com... What does it mean when a controller says "Cleared for landing full length", or "cleared for takeoff full length"? I've never heard this said until I started flying out of this airport I'm based at now which has a 11,800 ft. runway. Does it mean he wants me to land further down towards the middle of the runway? In the past, I've always disregarded the phrase "full length" as quasi- meaningless "supplemental" information (such as "#2 for landing"). I've made about 20 landings so far here, and 3 of them resulted in a plane behind me having to do a go-around, so maybe there is something more to it. But then again, why would it even matter. I'm I'm still on the runway, the controller can't clear anyone else for takeoff anyways until I turn off the taxiway... Can someone shed some light on this? "Runway two four full length position and hold", and "Runway two four full length cleared for takeoff." are used when aircraft are departing from the approach end and also from intersections. "Cleared for landing full length" is nonstandard phraseology and only the issuing controller can tell you what it means. My best guess is he means all of the runway is available to you, which is also what "Cleared to land" means. |
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"Full length"
On Mar 5, 3:17 pm, "buttman" wrote:
You had me up to this point... I've made about 20 landings so far here, and 3 of them resulted in a plane behind me having to do a go-around, so maybe there is something more to it. Ha! Nice trolling. Are all instructions from controllers are quasi- meaningless "supplemental" information, didn'ja know? |
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