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Gliders in the Grand Canyon
Marty Shapiro writes:
If you had looked it all up you would have known that Tuweep (L50) has been closed. It's marked as open on the current chart. |
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Gliders in the Grand Canyon
Mxsmanic wrote:
Marble Canyon is about 45 miles away from the Grand Canyon in Marble Canyon Marble Canyon is part of the Grand Canyon, and part of the Grand Canyon SFRA. How is it that I flew into Marble Canyon last year and did not enter the SFRA? You are completely without a clue. John Galban=====N4BQ (PA28-180) -- Message posted via AviationKB.com http://www.aviationkb.com/Uwe/Forums...ation/200706/1 |
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Gliders in the Grand Canyon
Mxsmanic wrote in
: Marty Shapiro writes: If you had looked it all up you would have known that Tuweep (L50) has been closed. It's marked as open on the current chart. You're an idiot Bertie |
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Gliders in the Grand Canyon
buttman wrote in
oups.com: On Jun 3, 8:59 am, Richard Riley wrote: On Sat, 02 Jun 2007 15:05:06 +0200, Mxsmanic wrote: If there were no airspace restrictions, would it be possible/safe to fly gliders in the Grand Canyon? There's not much of a place to land in the canyon, of course, but I don't know if there are thermals or something (?) that would allow a glider to climb back up out of the canyon after gliding below the rim. Is it possible? Has anyone done it? I know. I learned to fly in gliders and flew right seat many times in a sight-seeing Twin Otter at the canyon. I won't tell you. From what you've posted previously, you'd only use my answer as a starting point to insult me, belittle my experience and claim I don't know what I'm talking about. OK then, if him asking the question bothers you so much, then how about if I asked? If there were no airspace restrictions, would it be possible/safe to fly gliders in the Grand Canyon? There's not much of a place to land in the canyon, of course, but I don't know if there are thermals or something (?) that would allow a glider to climb back up out of the canyon after gliding below the rim. Is it possible? Has anyone done it? And you still call yourself an instrucor? You should burn your instructor ticket. do it now. Unbelievable. Bertie |
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JGalban via AviationKB.com writes:
How is it that I flew into Marble Canyon last year and did not enter the SFRA? I suppose it depends on how you define the limits of Marble Canyon. The gorge is completely contained within the SFRA, but parts of the Grand Canyon as a whole in the area fall outside of the SFRA (the rim areas, for example). |
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Hash: SHA1 Mxsmanic wrote: Marty Shapiro writes: If you had looked it all up you would have known that Tuweep (L50) has been closed. It's marked as open on the current chart. You, and your charts are wrong. From the Arizona Dept. of Transportation: http://www.azdot.gov/aviation/airpor...st.asp?FAA=L50 It isn't listed at Airnav.com. It isn't listed on any sectional, let alone the Grand Canyon VFR chart or listed at your beloved Skyvector.com. Like told many times before, get your facts straight before shooting off your mouth. Actually, don't. It's a lot more fun showing how wrong you are and how much of a fool you can be. BL. - -- Brad Littlejohn | Email: Unix Systems Administrator, | Web + NewsMaster, BOFH.. Smeghead! | http://www.wizard.com/~tyketto PGP: 1024D/E319F0BF 6980 AAD6 7329 E9E6 D569 F620 C819 199A E319 F0BF -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGZb5LyBkZmuMZ8L8RAlSNAJ9YQqC/I54aAjH7+G7fNLJIf65P/gCeJOX1 DRoSt1yyYMR3OC548iIn8SU= =A5jA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |
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Gliders in the Grand Canyon
A Guy Called Tyketto writes:
You, and your charts are wrong. They are not my charts; they are prepared by the Federal government. Surely you've seen the specific VFR chart for the Grand Canyon SFRA? It isn't listed at Airnav.com. It isn't listed on any sectional, let alone the Grand Canyon VFR chart or listed at your beloved Skyvector.com. It's on the Las Vegas sectional (which doesn't expire until August), and on the Grand Canyon SFRA chart (which doesn't have regular cycles), at N 36.301407 W 113.071384. You can see it on Google Maps, and various pilots have put pictures of it on the Web. In the face of so much documentary evidence, it is impossible for me to lend any real credence to your point of view. It's a bit like saying there's no such place as Los Angeles. Like told many times before, get your facts straight before shooting off your mouth. Actually, don't. It's a lot more fun showing how wrong you are and how much of a fool you can be. Anyone looking it up will find out very quickly just who is right and who is wrong, and I recommend that anyone who is curious do exactly that. |
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Mxsmanic wrote in
: A Guy Called Tyketto writes: You, and your charts are wrong. They are not my charts; they are prepared by the Federal government. Surely you've seen the specific VFR chart for the Grand Canyon SFRA? It isn't listed at Airnav.com. It isn't listed on any sectional, let alone the Grand Canyon VFR chart or listed at your beloved Skyvector.com. It's on the Las Vegas sectional (which doesn't expire until August), and on the Grand Canyon SFRA chart (which doesn't have regular cycles), at N 36.301407 W 113.071384. You can see it on Google Maps, and various pilots have put pictures of it on the Web. In the face of so much documentary evidence, it is impossible for me to lend any real credence to your point of view. It's a bit like saying there's no such place as Los Angeles. Like told many times before, get your facts straight before shooting off your mouth. Actually, don't. It's a lot more fun showing how wrong you are and how much of a fool you can be. Anyone looking it up will find out very quickly just who is right and who is wrong, and I recommend that anyone who is curious do exactly that. Not only are you a moron, you're an asshole as well. How stupid does one have to be to think that just because a printed chart (updated every 6 months, and at least 1 month out of date when it appears) shows an airport that the airport is still really operational as an airport? Only you, play pilot, are that stupid. The VFR sectional charts are issued every 6 months. The Grand Canyon chart is on a "when issued" cycle. Only a stupid buttwipe like you would believe that just because it's on the unexpired chart its still there. Did you try looking up Tuweep in the A/FD, which is also a federal government publication, but is updated on 56 day cycle? Newsflash asshole - Tuweep isn't there anymore. This is from the federal government's NACO web site which lists all airports in any selected state. No Tuweep or L50. The federal goverment does maintain, online, a current data base of airports. Tuweep is NOT there. The Arizona Department of Transportation used to maintain Tuweep. Their web pages lists the airport as closed. Only a moronic buttwipe like you would bleat "it's on the chart which hasn't expired, its got to be there." The AOPA, which has a vested interest in maintining up-to-date information for pilots, no longer shows Tuweep or L50. Do you have some inside knowledge on Tuweep which neither the federal goverment, the AOPA, or the Arizona DOT posses? If so, please tell us the source. You obviously don't have a clue on how to properly inform yourself of all factors which could affect your flight. That's right. Your not a pilot. Your not even a competent play pilot. Try filing a VFR flight plan to L50 with DUATS. Let us know if it is accepted. Try getting an area weather briefing for L50. The weather service knows nothing about L50 any more. Did you search the NOTAM file to see if L50 still exists? Did you know that this is where changes are documented until the next chart cycle? If you did, why didn't you check it? If you didn't, why did you shoot your stupid mouth off and try to claim that Tuweep is still there? Is it your goal in life to subtract from the sum total of human knowledge? Your statements are pure unadulterated bull ****. -- Marty Shapiro Silicon Rallye Inc. (remove SPAMNOT to email me) |
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Hash: SHA1 Mxsmanic wrote: A Guy Called Tyketto writes: You, and your charts are wrong. They are not my charts; they are prepared by the Federal government. Surely you've seen the specific VFR chart for the Grand Canyon SFRA? So your charts are the only ones that are right, and the Arizona state government is wrong? You are delusional, Anthony. Next, I'll suppose you want to believe you're right, and the state law is wrong? If so, we'll see you on the next episode of COPS: Paris. It isn't listed at Airnav.com. It isn't listed on any sectional, let alone the Grand Canyon VFR chart or listed at your beloved Skyvector.com. It's on the Las Vegas sectional (which doesn't expire until August), and on the Grand Canyon SFRA chart (which doesn't have regular cycles), at N 36.301407 W 113.071384. You can see it on Google Maps, and various pilots have put pictures of it on the Web. Show me at NACO, MyAirplane, or anyplace where a current A/FD exists that has L50. In the face of so much documentary evidence, it is impossible for me to lend any real credence to your point of view. It's a bit like saying there's no such place as Los Angeles. Like told many times before, get your facts straight before shooting off your mouth. Actually, don't. It's a lot more fun showing how wrong you are and how much of a fool you can be. Anyone looking it up will find out very quickly just who is right and who is wrong, and I recommend that anyone who is curious do exactly that. We have. You're wrong, and a bloody idiot for not seeing it. Oh wait.. Dilbert Rule still applies, doesn't it? BL. - -- Brad Littlejohn | Email: Unix Systems Administrator, | Web + NewsMaster, BOFH.. Smeghead! | http://www.wizard.com/~tyketto PGP: 1024D/E319F0BF 6980 AAD6 7329 E9E6 D569 F620 C819 199A E319 F0BF -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGZeVVyBkZmuMZ8L8RAkT2AJ9o4T+cZ8NJHluuTnTknU iohhkGowCffo7p 9voJKHoxMjw/bgshyZlUfjk= =dGgN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |
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Gliders in the Grand Canyon
On Jun 5, 3:11 pm, Mxsmanic wrote:
I suppose it depends on how you define the limits of Marble Canyon. Or how one defines an obnoxious, Google know-it-all. |
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