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Chinese (and other) pilots unable to speak English pose danger for air travel (CNN)
Dallas wrote:
On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 21:08:16 +0200, Mxsmanic wrote: As hard as it may be for residents of the city to accept, there is more to the world outside of Dallas. Tell ya what... Why don't you make a list of all the foreign countries you've been to and I'll respond with a list of my own and we'll see who's got the widest world view. That'd be fine, except he lies like a rug! Would anyone here buy a car from Mx? |
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Chinese (and other) pilots unable to speak English pose danger for air travel (CNN)
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Hash: SHA1 In rec.aviation.piloting Robert M. Gary wrote: On Jun 29, 12:09 pm, Mxsmanic wrote: writes: This matches with what I experienced recently. I was on the ground aboard a United passenger flight from Brazil to the USA and listening to the onboard channel 9 ATC to kill time. Except for the United and a Lufthansa pilot also awaiting clearance to taxi, every other pilot was talking Portuguese. The controllers spoke perfect ATC English but switched to Portuguese for the local pilots. I was thinking this could easily lead to a lack of situational awareness in a large airport like Sao Paulo's. You're not supposed to require any communication with anyone other than ATC, so if you need to hear other pilots on the frequency, there is a problem. Pathetically clueless. Sometimes I feel I should pity you. But you're wrong most to all of the time, so I don't; you deserve the (negative) feedback you get for your mistakes. You should try flying some time. There is a difference between "minimum requirements" and "useful information". He already mentioned that he doesn't want to step foot anywhere inside a plane, but when is given the right information by pilots and controllers here and other places, he argues that they are wrong. Either way, back on topic. On the KLAS LiveATC feed today, a pilot was having radio issues (carrier, no voice). ATC couldn't hear him, but other pilots could. So ATC asked another pilot to relay what ATC was asking him to do. That worked and through that proxy pilot, ATC got that pilot back on the ground so he could work on the radio. Plus, Anthony, 4 words. Common. Traffic. Advisory. Frequency. BL. - -- Brad Littlejohn | Email: Unix Systems Administrator, | Web + NewsMaster, BOFH.. Smeghead! | http://www.wizard.com/~tyketto PGP: 1024D/E319F0BF 6980 AAD6 7329 E9E6 D569 F620 C819 199A E319 F0BF -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGhYvIyBkZmuMZ8L8RApKpAJ48aZ3G2N3sqPpFUKTvZc Xh6bpWCQCgvFfB ePAU8i++BzVpTyqgVp9QD1A= =+H2m -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |
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Chinese (and other) pilots unable to speak English pose danger for air travel (CNN)
On 2007-06-29 06:38:49 -0700, (Paul Tomblin) said:
In a previous article, Matthias van Henk said: As more and more aviation business is operated from Asia and Chinese is the most spoken language in the world all communication should be made in Chinese then. :-) There is no such language as "Chinese". There are dozens of mutually unintelligible languages in China. I know people from different areas of China who can't even understand each other when they're supposedly both speaking Mandarin, so they speak English to each other. You see that all over Asia. People who supposedly speak the same dialect who cannot understand each other, so they speak English. English has become what Esperanto was intended to be. -- Waddling Eagle World Famous Flight Instructor |
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Chinese (and other) pilots unable to speak English pose danger for air travel (CNN)
On 2007-06-29 08:00:54 -0700, "Maxwell" said:
"El Maximo" wrote in message ... "Mortimer Schnerd, RN" mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com wrote in message news If Won Wing Low had been the Father of Aviation, it could have been! Allegedly, a Pan Am 727 flight waiting for start clearance in Munich overheard the following: Lufthansa (in German): "Ground, what is our start clearance time?" Ground (in English): "If you want an answer you must speak in English." Lufthansa (in English): "I am a German, flying a German airplane, in Germany. Why must I speak English?" Unknown voice from another plane (in a beautiful British accent): "Because you lost the bloody war." I think we can all rest assured teach the world to speak understandable English is not a long term problem. Everything will be going to Spanish in a few years anyway. The Chinese are studying English by the millions. There are more non-native English speakers than there are native English speakers, and the gap is growing. It is a mistake to think that the things that are done on behalf of an American cultural minority mean that America is going to change to Spanish. Even less so for the entire rest of the world. English is rapidly becoming the universal language of the world. Declare yourself an English teacher and you can get a job practically anywhere in Asia, the Middle East, Africa, or even South America. -- Waddling Eagle World Famous Flight Instructor |
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Chinese (and other) pilots unable to speak English pose danger for air travel (CNN)
On 2007-06-29 11:18:09 -0700, K Baum said:
On Jun 29, 4:39 am, "El Maximo" wrote: Lufthansa (in German): "Ground, what is our start clearance time?" Ground (in English): "If you want an answer you must speak in English." Lufthansa (in English): "I am a German, flying a German airplane, in Germany. Why must I speak English?" What is interesting is that in Mexico and parts of South America, the controllers speak Spanish with local (or domestic) flights, and english with international flights. KB. They do at the major airports. Get off the beaten track and you might find a controller that does not speak English. Also, there is no guarantee that the local commandant will speak English when you land at some of the smaller airports. Fortunately, he usually has a jeep and can take you to somebody who does speak English. -- Waddling Eagle World Famous Flight Instructor |
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Chinese (and other) pilots unable to speak English pose danger for air travel (CNN)
In a previous article, C J Campbell said:
What is interesting is that in Mexico and parts of South America, the controllers speak Spanish with local (or domestic) flights, and english with international flights. They do at the major airports. Get off the beaten track and you might find a controller that does not speak English. Also, there is no guarantee that the local commandant will speak English when you land at some of the smaller airports. Fortunately, he usually has a jeep and can take you to somebody who does speak English. At gunpoint, possibly. -- Paul Tomblin http://blog.xcski.com/ If you had the chance of making the amount of pain your lusers had to suffer dependent on the number of windows on their screens, you would seize the opportunity, wouldn't you? -- Abigail |
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Chinese (and other) pilots unable to speak English pose danger for air travel (CNN)
On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 15:39:21 +0200, the renowned Mxsmanic
wrote: Donald Newcomb writes: I wonder if the tests are all written, like in Japan where everyone studies English but few people can speak it? According to the news segment on CNN, the new test is verbal. It must be extremely easy, though, since they interviewed a Chinese pilot who had passed it and he was incomprehensible--and it was obvious that he had barely understood the question put to him as well. Are you sure he wasn't a Chinese pirate? Best regards, Spehro Pefhany -- "it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward" Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com |
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Chinese (and other) pilots unable to speak English pose danger for air travel (CNN)
Why don't you go back to wherever you were for the past week and bother some
other people for a change? |
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Chinese (and other) pilots unable to speak English pose danger for air travel (CNN)
Maxwell wrote:
I think we can all rest assured teach the world to speak understandable English is not a long term problem. Everything will be going to Spanish in a few years anyway. In the US, possibly. -- Don't try to reply to my email addy: I'm borrowing that of the latest scammer/spammer |
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Chinese (and other) pilots unable to speak English pose danger for air travel (CNN)
On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 17:45:32 -0500, ManhattanMan wrote:
That'd be fine, except he lies like a rug! Would anyone here buy a car from Mx? That's ok.. I figure even if he lies we'll all know it. Everyone knows he rarely leaves his apartment. -- Dallas |
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